• profdc9@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I don’t think whataboutism ever helps anything. American subsidies and bailouts has not resulted in better consumer choice. However, choosing options that are due to dumping isn’t going to produce sustainable industry either in China after the subsidies there end. The only real solution is to actually make practical electric vehicles at an affordable price.

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      2 months ago

      Its resulted in lower prices for the industries subsidized.

      I have no idea what you mean by dumping and unsustainable. Why would the subsidies end?

      The only real solution is to actually make practical electric vehicles at an affordable price.

      Do you realize youre arguing against a method to achieve more affordable prices?

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        2 months ago

        I think he is stating that by subsidizing Chinese vehicles way below what could be practical to sell subsided non-Chinese vehicles at China can effectively kill off the non-Chinese automotive manufacturing capacity over enough time. Once this has been achieved China can increase prices drastically as Americans would no longer have domestic car options to buy, and creating a monopoly.

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            2 months ago

            Considering we’re deficit spending with every budget cycle, I’d say no we don’t have the money. Furthermore, what about all the other brands sold in the US besides the three American ones of GM, Ford, and Tesla?

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              2 months ago

              Considering we’re deficit spending with every budget cycle

              So is china, and at a higher rate than we are.

              what about all the other brands sold in the US besides the three American ones of GM, Ford, and Tesla?

              What about em?

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                2 months ago

                How do they compete if the US subsidizes US companies and China subsidizes Chinese companies? Have you even thought through your proposal here? It certainly doesn’t sound like it. Waving your hand around and thinking money appears out of nowhere seems to be the limit of your analysis.

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                  2 months ago

                  How do they compete if the US subsidizes US companies and China subsidizes Chinese companies?

                  Why would i care?

                  Waving your hand around and thinking money appears out of nowhere seems to be the limit of your analysis.

                  Are you imagining money just disappearing once its spent on subsidies? US has been spending hundreds of billions of dollars every year for decades on defense yet somehow we havent run out of money to spend. Learn how countries finance things.

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                    2 months ago

                    Why would i care?

                    Yes, why bother gaining some understanding of the topic you’re speaking about when you can instead remain ignorant and keep flapping your lips with poorly thought-out ideas?

                    Are you imagining money just disappearing once its spent on subsidies? US has been spending hundreds of billions of dollars every year for decades on defense yet somehow we havent run out of money to spend. Learn how countries finance things.

                    Are you imagining money just disappearing once its spent on subsidies?

                    When you spend your paycheck on bills does that money still remain in your account? The money doesn’t disappear but the person or government who originally had it, no longer has it. Are you proposing the government just start printing money to give hundreds of billions in subsidies to the auto industry? That surely won’t have any negative effects, right?

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                2 months ago

                I didn’t say it was. Deficit spending to build a highway that winds up generating a bunch of extra revenue is one thing. Deficit spending to make a singular product cheaper than another country who is doing the same is a losing game.