The extra space is for two Electron apps of your choice.
Let’s start with one and see how it goes.
discord and microsoft teams 😍
You picked two of the crappiest apps ever.
That’s the point
Just install Chrome or Firefox. Problem solved.
weak. compile them
compile in tmpfs
Yup I max out 32GB building librewolf from source
and a vm or 2
You’ve clearly never lived with a cat. Your metaphor is crushed by the Kitty Expansion Theory: No piece of furniture is large enough for a cat and any other additional being.
Caching be like
Caching do indeed be like.
The kitty expansion theory is incomplete, any piece of furniture is large enough for both a cat and an additional being provided the additional being was there first
My cat would just extend perpendicular to the length of my bed so i have enough space to decide to sit on one of the two remaining sides of the bed.
Exactly. That kitty encompasses and rules over aaaalllll that couch. Surfaces and interior volume (as soon as he discovers it). No room for anybody else. Just ask him.
The other 28GB is for running chrome
Three whole tabs!!
One of the reasons I use Firefox.
horrible take IMO. firefox is using 12GB for me right now, but you have no idea how many or what kind of tabs either of us have, which makes all the difference to the point your comment has no value whatsoever.
I use Waterfox and it never uses anything near that.
and if you had the same tabs open that I have, it would use a very similar amount of ram
How come it has no value? I used to run Chrome but now I run Firefox. My browsing habits have not changed yet the memory consumption has greatly improved. It may not have any value to you but it certainly was a valuable experience for me and I made the comment hoping that it might find someone who is in the same situation as I was. I’ve got nothing to prove and nothing to gain. Anyone may run their own experiment.
Anyone may run their own experiment.
I have and Chrome uses less memory for me.
Good for you.
Just like the human eye can only register 60fps and no more, your computer can only register 4gb of RAM and no more. Anything more than that is just marketing.
Fucking /S since you clowns can’t tell.
Human eye can’t see more than 1080p anyway, so what’s the point
It doesn’t matter honestly, everyone knows humans can’t see screens at all
It honestly doesn’t matter, reality only exists in your imagination anyway.
Their vision is based on movement.
Human eye can’t see more than 8-bit colors anyway, so what’s the point
Jokes on you, because i looked into this once. I don’t know the exact ms the light-sensitive rods in human eyes need to refresh the chemical anymore but it resulted in about 70 fps, so about 13 ms i guess (the color-sensitive cones are far slower). But psycho-optical effects can drive that number up to 100 fps in LCD displays. Though it looks like you can train yourself with certain computer tasks to follow movements with your eye, being far more sensible to flickering.
According to this study, the eye can see a difference as high as 500 fps. While this is a specific scenario, it’s a scenario that could possibly happen in a video game, so I guess it means we can go to around 500 hz monitors before it becomes too much or unnessessary.
It’s not about training, eye tracking is just that much more sensitive to pixels jumping
You can immediately see choppy movement when you look around in a 1st person view game. Or if it’s an RTS you can see the trail behind your mouse anyway
I can see this choppiness at 280 FPS. The only way to get rid of it is to turn on strobing, but that comes with double images at certain parts of the screen
Just give me a 480 FPS OLED with black frame insertion already, FFS
Does that refresh take place across the entire eye simultaneously or is each rod and/or cone doing its own thing?
Are your eyeballs progressive scan or interlaced, son?
There’s a neuron layer trimming data down to squeeze it through the optical nerve, so… no clue.
This is only true if you’re still using a 32 bit cpu, which almost nobody is. 64 bit cpus can use up to 16 million TB of RAM.
Sorry I forgot to put my giant /s.
With PAE, a 32 bit CPU can also use more, but each process is still limited to 4GiB
This is only true if you’re still using a 32 bit cpu
Bank switching to “fake” the ability to access more address space was a big thing in the 80s…so it’s technically possible to access addresses that are wider than the address bus by dividing it up into portions that it can see.
That’s not sarcasm, it’s misinformation. Not surprising that people downvoted you even though it was just a joke.
I don’t think that somebody actually read that computers can’t register more then 4GiB of RAM and then thought
That’s totally true, because u/teft said it is
It certainly used to be true, in the era of 32 bit computers.
That’s what makes it a joke. Does anyone here unironcally think the human eye can only see 60 fps or that more than 4 gigs of ram is just marketing?
Op doesn’t run applications, just an os…
I run applications, and it still rarely exceeds 6 gigs. Damn, my ram is mostly disk cache at this point
Yeah, I’m with you there, but I’m also a believer in having a little more ram than you need. After a couple of decades of feeling that occasional bottleneck it seems like a relatively cheap prevention measure.
Just wait till all the browser tabs sit down, and need to swap to the floor.
I genuinely can’t imagine having more than 7 tabs open. I can barely keep track of that many. How do you do it, wisened mistrel of the woods?
For me it’s a pattern of “Ctrl+t” to open a new tab and then I search “my interesting query”. After that, I use “shift+tab” or “Ctrl+shift+tab” to navigate between tabs. Rinse and repeat until I get tired.
I don’t like searching in my current tab because I don’t want to lose the info I have.
Oh, here’s the 4 pages of documentation of items and crafting recipes of this nodded game I’m playing that are open at all times.
Then there’s the tsb with the video series I’m watching, the tab with the dropout home, other two tabs for two series I’d like to watch, about 3 different tabs that I just closed down that were opened yesterday to search some ffxiv market item prices for a friend, WhatsApp web, some Path of exile trade live tabs in case an item I’ve been searching for a month shows up on trade in a reasonable price to pick up the game again, the medianxl ladder to check for gear on too players, 2-3 tabs for players on the ladder to check their gears as a rough template,…
I’d say at any given time it’s a minimum of 10, and I’m not being held responsible of my work browser tabs. That’s more like, 4 github repos because they ask me about stuff and I forget to close them, hue, the spark docs on like 5 tabs, 3 google searches, several excels with project tracking stuff, and maybe an extra 10 to 20 tabs open depending of what I’m searching or have been asked about in the last 2 days.
You made me realize I use tabs as bookmarks… Darn. 20gb bookmark file here we go.
“Simple Tab Groups” extension for Firefox desktop allowed me to evolve from constantly rearranging/bookmarking ~20 shrinking tabs in a window and dropping projects; to hoarding 30-40 tabs worth of research material and unfinished project ideas in rotating groups
See what you did there 😆! I always feel like my computer is thrashing every time it starts using Swap.
My 2010 arm board with 256MB ram running openmediavault and minidlna for music streaming. Still lots of RAM left.
Current 4 year old laptop with 128GB of ECC RAM is wonderful and is used all the time with simulations, LLMs, ML modelling, and the real heavy lifter, Google Chrome.
What 4 year old laptop can handle that much RAM?
a w520 from 2012 can run 32gb of ram natively. It has 4 socketed ram slots.
More than likely some form of cursed engineering laptop lol, that or a shitpost.
Most modern laptops can do 64 gb of ddr4. It’s expensive but doable. Like most U series CPUs are limited at 64 gb. Something with a xeon mobile chip will probably see a lot more.
I remember building my gaming machine in 2008 and put 4GB (2x2) in, then RAM prices tanked 6 months later so I added another 4GB. I remember having lots of conversations where I was like “yeah, 8GB is over kill” but what I didn’t expect is that it was such overkill that when I built my next machine in 2012, I still only put 8GB on it.
It wasn’t until 2019 that I built a machine and put 16GB in it. I ran on 8GB for over a decade. Pretty impressive for gaming.
Pretty similar timing to me, and the only reason I upgraded was Minecraft modpacks.
which ones? ATM? Gregtech?
I think it was some sort of FTB skyblock.
I’m still using 8 for gaming and stuff
(i built my pc in 2021 and don’t see a huge reason to upgrade it yet except modded Minecraft/skyrim)In 2008
a lot ofmost software was still 32 bit, you couldn’t use more than 4GiB per process. In that sense anything more than that was overkill unless you used a lot of programs at the same time and your OS supported physical address extension (PAE).All windows and Linux versions I’ve run since 2008 supported 64 bit. The games I was running might not have, but I can’t really be held responsible for what they want to write. Also, multitasking has always been a thing, and chrome came out in 2008 as well, so the single task 4GB limitations hasn’t really been an issue for a while as far as gaming/regular desktop usage goes(unless, again, the applications you’re running aren’t written to support 64bit/more than 4GB, which you can’t really be held responsible for.)
I ran my old machine also from 2010 till this year on 8gb. Also for gaming the 2010 i7 was quite fine. The only bottleneck was the VRAM where we somehow went from 1GB being perfectly suitable to 4GB being barely enough. Meanwhile old games sometimes look better than modern games, because they actually put effort into optimizing the graphics.
Am I the only one around here that maxes out their RAM to the max that the board will take? Sure 128 Gig is overkill now, but the 32 Gig I installed in my last laptop was supposed to be overkill just 3 years ago. I did manage to use my previous laptop for a whole 12 years with only 16 Gig.
I have no problems currently on my personal computer with 16GB. If RAM is ever an issue, you can always upgrade (especially if you leave slots empty). Plus RAM generally has a tendency to get cheaper over time, so why waste money now?
The other day I got a Mini PC to use as a home server (including as media server with Kodi).
It has 8GB of RAM, came with some Windows (10 or 11), didn’t even try it and wiped it out, put Lubunto on it and a bunch of services along with Kodi.
Even though it’s running X in order to have Kodi there and Firefox is open and everything, it’s using slightly over 2GB of RAM.
I keep wanting to upgrade it to 16 GB, because, you know, I just like mucking about with hardware and there’s the whole new toy feeling, but I look at the memory usage and just can’t bring myself around to do it just for fun, as it would be a completelly useless upgrade and not even bright eyed uuh, shinny me can convince adult me to waste 60 bucks on something so utterly completelly useless.
I wish. I use vscode which sucks up most of my resources (basically a terribly inefficient IDE running on elotron…). 32gb and it still not enough to run my dev environment decently.
The reason vscode is so popular is because it is far more efficient than the electron app it’s based on. Atom was slow and the worst resource hog I’ve ever seen.
The plugin ecosystem and great built-in support for the most popular languages keep it popular.
VS Code wasn’t based on Atom. It was written from scratch. The system architecture is very different.
VS Code uses Electron, but all the heavy stuff is running in separate threads or processes, which is why it feels faster than some other Electron apps.
Unfortunately, many Electron apps break the #1 rule of desktop app development: Never do any heavy processing on the UI thread. Any Electron app that does heavy-ish processing really needs to use node:worker_threads or something similar, plus a UI library like React that can prioritise handling of user actions over rendering other parts of the UI.
Do not underestimate the ram needed just by the lsp. I switch from vscode to nvim, and for some project 8gb is not enough due to that : that part of the memory consumption is sadly not editor-dependant :/
Hate to type this but mate, skill issue. If its taking that much memory check your addons because you fucked up somewhere. I use it with several debugging and linting addons and it runs on a virtual remote desktop where I’m lucky if I have 4GB to share between vscode and the browser with 20 tabs open.
Maybe your issue is thst you ran heavy programs through the vscode console and those registered in the task manager as vscode? Idk, but either way, skill issue :P
(basically a terribly inefficient IDE
Hard disagree
Much like a cat can stretch out and somehow occupy an entire queen-sized bed, Linux will happily cache your file system as long as there is available memory.
Note for the “unused RAM is wasted RAM” people in the description of earlyoom:
Why is “available” memory checked as opposed to “free” memory? On a healthy Linux system, “free” memory is supposed to be close to zero, because Linux uses all available physical memory to cache disk access. These caches can be dropped any time the memory is needed for something else.
So yeah, there’s a difference.
This is my server and about 28GB sits unused. Just in case I might want to run a new VM or something… 🤣
Just put a big archive in your nextcloud with default config, your server will be wheezing in no time.
Does it unpack the archive in-memory? In the newest stable version?
It scans for viruses inside the archive, which takes longer than the 5 minutes interval before it spawns a new maintenance task, which scans inside the archive while the previous task is still scanning…
Lol
Hmm. But have you tried it with second and third linuxes? What about eightses?
He doesn’t even know about second Linux…
4GB? I think you should clean up a little, do a like debloating
