• dumpsterlid@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Far far worse is the simple fact that our chances of stopping Israel’s genocide go to zero under Trump. You think a Republican administration will stop it if you protest? At least with Biden you know it works and you know you can make a dent.

    Why are you lecturing me about this? Stop wasting your breath on me.

    It is very simple, if Biden wants my vote and votes from people like me, he can stop the genocide in Palestine.

    Period.

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      6 months ago

      Why are you lecturing me about this? Stop wasting your breath on me.

      You have a peculiar conception of “lecturing”.

      But do you want me to stop saying these things because you are immune to reason? You cannot possibly change your mind, no matter the argument or facts presented? No matter that Biden is himself simply does not have the power to unilaterally stop Israel’s actions?

      I do have one simple question for you: What about the genocide that will happen under Trump? Do you prefer that? Do you prefer the murder of women, transgender people, gays and brown people over Palestinians?

      Because the choice is incredibly binary: Less killing under Biden or more killing under Trump.

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        6 months ago

        No matter that Biden is himself simply does not have the power to unilaterally stop Israel’s actions?

        He literally does, Israel cannot function as a state without an immense amount of US diplomatic cover, weapons, and fucktons of money.

        Biden can stop it right this genocide in a matter of minutes by calling up Netanyahu and telling him it is over, full stop. I am sorry but I will not vote for a candidate that behaves this way.

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          6 months ago

          Netanyahu just told Biden to take a hike. Thus, “full stop” disproving what you have said.

          I am sorry but I will not vote for a candidate that behaves this way.

          So you vote for genocide, just domestically.

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            6 months ago

            Netanyahu just told Biden to take a hike. Thus, “full stop” disproving what you have said.

            Netanyahu will say whatever he wants on tv, the Israeli military industrial complex is utterly dependent upon the US military industrial complex. Netanyahu has no play here and everybody knows it except apparently Biden (or maybe he just doesn’t care I don’t know, it honestly doesn’t matter at the end of the day, action matters).

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              6 months ago

              At this point you are just making shit up to justify your nonsensical position.

              We can’t eliminate the US military industrial complex. We can limit the harm by putting pressure on an administration - and, crucially it is working to some degree. Do you honestly think you are going to be able to affect any change whatsoever if Trump gets elected? REALLY?

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                6 months ago

                We can limit the harm by putting pressure on an administration - and, crucially it is working to some degree.

                Cool so what me and other people who have had enough genocide and think similarly are going to do is loudly tell Biden (which we are doing) that we want to vote for him, but we can’t unless he stops the genocide of Palestinians. Words are meaningless, small concessions are meaningless, he needs to stop the genocide NOW.

                It appears at this point, this is the only way leverage will work because centrists democrats have proven thoroughly how cynically they see progressives and the ideologies they base their politics on. Crucially, I didn’t create these conditions where this is the only place progressives feel they have power in this coalition, centrist democrats like Biden did. I don’t accept the blame for that, I have always made it very clear I hope that genocide is a red line for me as a voter, full stop.