- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
You must log in or # to comment.
I’m locking this post. There has been some good discussion within the comments, but I don’t believe the linked article is in good faith, and the discussion here is heading off the rails.
The article is, for the most part, actually quite good. But it makes a few key mistakes, and the inflammatory title is exemplary of this.
The Ode is not meant to glorify the actions of the soldiers who died. It’s supposed to remember their lives and the fact that they died.
A certain very vocal section of Australian society uses ANZAC Day as a glorification of war and of our soldiers, but that is not the day’s intent. It is supposed to be a sombre reminder of why we shouldn’t throw away our soldiers’ lives. It comes at it from a different angle, but ultimately supports the same conclusion this author wants to reach.
I disagree. Its deliberately inflammatory and offensive. I only leave the post here as responses such as this one have value.
Haven’t read the article and generally not a fan of ANZAC day …
But something I appreciate and like to point out is that the Melbourne war memorial is very much a tomb, literally based on the original mausoleum. It is in many ways an undeniably sad and somber place. I’m sure many find heroism there, perhaps through Australia’s culture war of the ANZACS, but it’s fairly hard to unsee the tomb once you see it IMO.
Ok, read the article, and liked it. I personally don’t know what interactions transpired between the allies and post-war Türkiye, which seems to be a glaring hole given the focus on post war reparations policy in Germany, but still the point is well made that lionising those of the past without any appreciation of their cultural context gets pretty dumb. Moreover when any discourse on what is to be learnt about war is excluded.
The mention of Pankhurst was on point too. Back on the Melbourne war memorial, I was pleased to see an exhibit on her in their new-ish museum.
The moment that we allow the present day armed forces to participate in the ANZAC day parade, what intent you claim was once there is lost. You cannot say that war is bad, and that we should not have soldiers sailing to foreign lands to kill people, and at the same time permit the minions of Dictator Charles to parade around in their dress uniforms. Many of those soldiers marching today participated in the forever war in the middle east. They did not learn their lesson from Gallipoli. All those ANZAC day parades, year after year, and they did not learn. They will never learn so long as the present day military is permitted at ANZAC day, glorifying the violent institution that they inherently are. That very vocal section who glorifies death and violence are the same people organising, participating in, and attending the parades. Anyone who learned their lesson either stayed home today, or protested.
That very vocal section who glorifies death and violence are the same people organising, participating in, and attending the parades.
-Source, my feelings.
Countless people participate to acknowledge the efforts and sacrifices of those who died serving their country. Even when we were taught about it in schools the focal points were sacrifice and mateship of those that served and still serve. Present day service members also attend to acknowledge those that came before them. Plenty of it is nationalistic nuthugging but your willingness to just make up generalisation and whatever claims to suit your point is frankly just gross.
Mate, you’re being inflammatory for inflammatory’s sake now, and downvoting everyone who doesn’t agree with every word of your precious article is just childish. If you want people to think about the matter, then scolding them for wrong think is counterproductive.
downvoting everyone who doesn’t agree with every word of your precious article
What are you talking about?
I like Zagorath’s comment, that’s why I upvoted it. I don’t care if someone doesn’t entirely agree with Me, I still upvote a good comment.
And you downvoted every comment even slightly critical of you as well. Disingenuousness is not a good look if you want your views to be taken seriously.
What are you talking about?
deleted by creator
Antiwar sentiment is not new, and pro-trans sentiment isn’t new either.
The central purpose of Australia’s WWI centenary celebrations is to saturate the population with militarism and patriotic propaganda in preparation for new imperialist wars. In line with this agenda, the ruling elite and all its political agencies do their utmost to downplay, distort and cover-up the real history of 1917 and, in particular, the lessons of the Russian Revolution, the most significant political event, not just of that year but of the 20th century.
Next, Anzac – and its special day – have always been contested. Since 1916 many war veterans (not least the original Anzacs who protested against the politicisation of the war they fought) have refused to take part in commemorations. This year Douglas Newton’s new book about the soldier and objector Private Edward James Ryan highlighted the deep divisions among soldiers and broader society about Australian involvement in the first world war.
https://readingaustralia.com.au/books/the-one-day-of-the-year/
Undoubtedly one of Australia’s favourite plays, The One Day of the Year explores the universal theme of father–son conflict against the background of the beery haze and the heady, nostalgic sentimentality of Anzac Day. It is a play to make us question a standard institution – Anzac Day, the sacred cow among Australian annual celebrations
Date of Publication 1958If you’d have written the article along the same lines as you’ve written this comment. With a more considered tone, even reference to a play to expound a point, then the reception of the real message your wishing to convey would be so much better.
The Medium article only adds hate and hyperbole to the subject, this comment started to build a context for treating ANZAC in a different light. Instead of berating the reader to think differently, invite the reader.
Please consider writing another article, I think you have something of value here.
The reply contains only 12 of My own words. The rest is links and direct quotes. Information that already exists out there, and some of it has existed for a long, long time. I’ve grown frustrated with the continued state of affairs after a hundred years of people ignoring these criticisms. I have become aggressive and impatient. I don’t think I could write something in My own words which approaches these issues without rage, without removing all that is unique in My interpretation of events. If you think a better article can be written, I invite you to write it.
deleted by creator
I mentioned trans people because I am trans. And because the very first Nazi book burning was of the texts from the Institute of Sex Research which concerned practices for trans healthcare. Attacking trans women was a high priority item on the Nazi agenda. And I paid attention to it, because all My articles are written from a trans perspective. People like Me have been speaking from trans perspectives for a hundred thousand years. If you have not seen discussion of trans people until recently, it is because until recently we have been silenced. I am not some cisgender person pushing a political agenda (What agenda???), I’m a person living My own truth and speaking to that truth. It’s clear you have a problem with that. Perhaps it would serve you better not to explain what your problem with talking about people like Me is.
deleted by creator
Conflating the foot soldiers supporting their mates and brothers with the big knobs running the circus, isn’t fair, however true the historical context is.
There were Australians at the time who supported their brothers. They said, “stay home.” And there were also Australians at the time who said “Let’s go kill people in the name of honour”, and who encouraged their brothers to a miserable death. Australia never conscripted for World War One. Everyone who died in those trenches chose to be there. Everyone who died in those trenches was a killer. Everyone who died in those trenches after telling his mates to enlist was a killer of his brothers.
I suggest you go work on your narcissistic personality disorder some more, and stop being a dick.
As much as I think what this person is arguing is grotesque, I agree with their reply. This was probably a bit needlessly personal tbh.
It was in response to needless thoughtlessness in describing the ordinary soldiers who fought overseas. There were myriad reasons they went to fight, and calling them all killers of their brothers is just gross. Most honestly thought they were serving their country and their fellow Australians. I’m sure the OP knows that, so his reason for posting this distorted rants about the people with the least power in the situation is purely for attention. If he just wanted to discuss the historical facts, he could have posted it on any other day, but he wanted to get our goat. Well, he got mine.
I’m nonbinary. You’re referring to Me as “he”, but My pronouns are “They/Them”. Please edit your comment to avoid misgendering Me.
Fuckin hell, that’s a bit personal, innit?
deleted by creator
Oh, I’m sorry. Am I supposed to waste more words on obvious rage bait and a poster trying to kick up a fuss for attention to meet your approval? The OP posted an inflammatory piece on a solemn day of remembrance, and is surprised that their extreme take on the ordinary men and women who died in the war is considered a bit much? The ‘direct insult’ is a direct observation. In their bio they say they have narcissistic personality disorder, and their responses have been consistent with that, which is not good for their mental health or pleasant reading.
deleted by creator
They’re also misgendering Me. And they say they read My bio, so at that point you have to believe it’s intentional, right? Hm, someone who misgenders Me and attacks Me for My mental health, who refuses to behave civilly and instead posts one sentence inflammatory responses, all in defence of the armed forces. I think we may be dealing with a nazi.
Apparently any clown can write an article these days. Like WWI started because Britain had some weight to throw around; with a quick reference to reality with the “a dead duke” line. Clearly an article aimed at inflaming rage click via shitting on service members. Using those who died in horrific condition to prop up their shitty career and political opinions. ANZAC day remembers those who died in war. You don’t need to agree with every conflict this country has been in to acknowledge those who’ve served it.
Also pro tip, if you’re a journalist (or blogger hopefully) and your article unironically includes “this is BAD” then you’re a hack writing for a (paywalled lol) rag.
Edit: just to flex some journalistic skill that may come close to surpassing the author of this articles; have a look at the authors post history. You know, where they casually admit to emotionally manipulating people into seeing their pov. Trash article by a trash human.
