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A judge ordered Planned Parenthood to hand records of transgender care over to Andrew Bailey.
A St. Louis judge has ruled that Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey is entitled to Planned Parenthood’s transgender care records, ordering the nonprofit to turn over some of its most sensitive files to the man who has built his unelected political career on restricting health care access for trans people.
In his Thursday decision, Circuit Judge Michael Stelzer wrote that Bailey can collect documents under Missouri’s consumer protection statute that aren’t protected under federal mandate, namely the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, better known as HIPAA.
“It is clear from the statute that the Defendant has the broad investigative powers when the consumer is in possible need of protection and there is no dispute in this matter,” wrote Stelzer. “Therefore, the Defendant is entitled to some of the requested documents within his [Civil Investigative Demand].”
Bailey, who last year attempted to implement a ban on gender-affirming care for people of all ages, was quick to celebrate the decision, calling it a “big day” for the state.
Not all doctors are captured by an ideology, but all you need is some of them. I am probably one of the more anti-government normal people you will meet, and I think the one job a government has is to protect people from harm of others.
So lets go back to the tattoo example, if there was an ideology that said face tattoos are normal and perfectly fine, and the parent believes it, and the beliefs of the parents easily transfer to the kid, and they both agree. They find a tattoo artist and doctor that have the same ideology and they agree. Me and you are watching this and seeing this ideology doesnt make sense and that kid will be directly and severely harmed for the rest of their life for getting a face tattoo, what should we do?
Look I’m not going to play a hypothetical game with you. For one because you’re creating too many hypotheticals.
By gender affirming care, what we’re referring to is not permanent surgery but hormone blockers. You are comparing hormone blockers to face tattoos. You are comparing hormone blockers, a medical procedure, to a cosmetic one, a permanent cosmetic one.
So no, I’m not playing that game.
If we want to talk about gender affirming care rather than facial tattoos we can. For example, if hormone blockers used in a minor lead too long-term damage a doctor would be liable. So the doctor better make damn sure that they’re not captured by a harmful ideology and actually doing what is best for the patient. Otherwise they’re going to get sued by that child when it becomes an adult.
Anyway, that’s the conversation. Not facial tattoos.
They reason you dont “play my game” is becuase it takes you out of the ideological capture and looks at the issue impartially.
Hormone blockers after X period of time do cause permanent change or damage. I dont claim to know exactly what the time period is, but it obviously does. Also there are surgeries happening to minors. The question you have to ask is what is the desistance rate for minors? Not detransition, desistance.
It’s not looking at the issue impartially. It’s looking at the issue through a distorted lens based on a cosmetic procedure rather than a medical one because you want to prove your own ideology.
As for the rest of your comment, the endocrine society has stated that hormone blockers are safe for transgender youth. They’re also used for youth that have precocious puberty, in other words that are going through puberty early.
Hormone blockers have been used in medicine since the 1980s. They’ve only become an issue now because the right has ideological issues with trans people.
Most of the medical establishment believes that they are safe. The experts believe they are safe. You believe that the experts are wrong and have been captured by a harmful ideology. The majority of them. Not a single misinformed doctor that’s agreeing to a face tattoo. Most of the medical establishment agrees this is safe and you believe that they’ve all been captured by a harmful ideology.
So I find it far more likely that the experts are right and the politicians are pushing an agenda. That the politicians are pushing a harmful ideology. One that you bought into. Most likely because you have prejudice against trans people.
Puberty blockers used for normal testable medical disorders, I agree but that is different than for trans related things. And there are also surgeries on minors happening. Do you actually think if a 13 year old takes homone blockers till they are 18 and then stops their body is not permanently harmed or altered?
The question you have to answer is what is the desistance rate for minors? Not detransition, desistance. For your own ideology that number is super important.
It’s a medical disorder. It’s a normal testable medical disorder. Thank you for admitting puberty blockers are safe and have been used since the 1980s.
Now please link me evidence that surgery is happening on minors in the United States. Because if that’s what your argument in fact hinges on show me the evidence.
Yes it absolutely is a medical disoder, I 100% agree, but its a medical disorder that you cand directly test for.
Its not a ton of minors getting surguries, something like 300 a year, but that is not what the argument hinges on, but I can find the data if you really want it.
So again, what is the desistance rates for minors? This is the important number you dont seem to want to find out.
The research on desistance has methodology issues. I just read an article on it.
https://www.kqed.org/futureofyou/441784/the-controversial-research-on-desistance-in-transgender-youth
Now surgery on minors. Show me the evidence that this is happening.
Here you go.
You can not agree with certain stats, but obviously many kids are either confused or being actively influence, what is the percentage that desist?
Hey I’m going to help you with that link real quick. The rates of desistance from kids that have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria is very very low. Kids that are not diagnosed with gender dysphoria are not receiving gender affirming care.
The desistance rates for kids that self-identified as trans are very high. But those kids aren’t getting gender-affirming care. It takes a medical diagnosis. And when there is a medical diagnosis the rates of desistance are very very low.
Now do you have actual evidence that surgeries are happening on minors?
How do you know? There are stories where kids do one appointment with a doctor and are diagnosed. You are making claims that are not provable. I am good at math and i can tell you that if the majority of kids that think they are trans later desist then a good sized portion of them are getting meds. How many kids could get meds they should not have before giving meds to kids is banned?