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A judge ordered Planned Parenthood to hand records of transgender care over to Andrew Bailey.
A St. Louis judge has ruled that Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey is entitled to Planned Parenthood’s transgender care records, ordering the nonprofit to turn over some of its most sensitive files to the man who has built his unelected political career on restricting health care access for trans people.
In his Thursday decision, Circuit Judge Michael Stelzer wrote that Bailey can collect documents under Missouri’s consumer protection statute that aren’t protected under federal mandate, namely the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, better known as HIPAA.
“It is clear from the statute that the Defendant has the broad investigative powers when the consumer is in possible need of protection and there is no dispute in this matter,” wrote Stelzer. “Therefore, the Defendant is entitled to some of the requested documents within his [Civil Investigative Demand].”
Bailey, who last year attempted to implement a ban on gender-affirming care for people of all ages, was quick to celebrate the decision, calling it a “big day” for the state.
It’s a medical disorder. It’s a normal testable medical disorder. Thank you for admitting puberty blockers are safe and have been used since the 1980s.
Now please link me evidence that surgery is happening on minors in the United States. Because if that’s what your argument in fact hinges on show me the evidence.
Yes it absolutely is a medical disoder, I 100% agree, but its a medical disorder that you cand directly test for.
Its not a ton of minors getting surguries, something like 300 a year, but that is not what the argument hinges on, but I can find the data if you really want it.
So again, what is the desistance rates for minors? This is the important number you dont seem to want to find out.
The research on desistance has methodology issues. I just read an article on it.
https://www.kqed.org/futureofyou/441784/the-controversial-research-on-desistance-in-transgender-youth
Now surgery on minors. Show me the evidence that this is happening.
Here you go.
You can not agree with certain stats, but obviously many kids are either confused or being actively influence, what is the percentage that desist?
Your super hung up on this desistance thing which I already addressed to you in multiple comments.
As to surgery, I don’t think that top surgery is an issue (or hormones). I did read that article.
You address it by saying that they wont get diagnosed with gender dysphoria, but the problem is that I dont just believe that is the truth. If you look at where all these kids are getting diagnosed or say they are trans, its highly concentrated in areas where the ideology encourages it. And if people think that “gender affirming care” for minors is good, more and more minors will be given hormones and have surgeries dont on them due to false diagnosis. If you claim this is not happening and wont increase then you are just obviously wrong. The issue here is that you have to step out of your ideology and see what is happening, and why its happening, and its not because there are suddenly something like 20 times more kids with gender dysphoria.
Less than 300 kids a year get top surgery, bottom surgery isn’t happening at all.
And yes, misdiagnosis does happen. Which means we need better methodology rather than moral panic from the right.
The medical profession that is involved in this area is doing its best to improve the methodology. While the right is doing its best to promote its own harmful ideology based on religion, fear, and bigotry.
I literally linked you an article that you allegedly read and then told me the exact opposite thing it shows…
Sorry, but you seem to just be reading into things what you want and will not actually have an honest appraisal what is happening. If you cant get those basic things right when I show you evidence you will just use your bias to confirm what you wish.
The last stat in the article was for 2021. 282 children received top surgery that year according to the graph in the article. How is that the opposite of what it shows or different from what I just said (less than 300 a year undergo top surgery.)?
Do you have similar feelings about circumcision? Just curious. I was circumcised as an infant with no real medical basis (there was no diagnosis, only social norms propagated by a prude). And I wish it hadn’t happened. It feels like a violation of my sexual boundaries and bodily autonomy.
Yet, I see no moral outrage on this issue and kids are still being circumcised every day.
Hey I’m going to help you with that link real quick. The rates of desistance from kids that have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria is very very low. Kids that are not diagnosed with gender dysphoria are not receiving gender affirming care.
The desistance rates for kids that self-identified as trans are very high. But those kids aren’t getting gender-affirming care. It takes a medical diagnosis. And when there is a medical diagnosis the rates of desistance are very very low.
Now do you have actual evidence that surgeries are happening on minors?
How do you know? There are stories where kids do one appointment with a doctor and are diagnosed. You are making claims that are not provable. I am good at math and i can tell you that if the majority of kids that think they are trans later desist then a good sized portion of them are getting meds. How many kids could get meds they should not have before giving meds to kids is banned?
Go back and reread what I said.
Without a gender dysphoria diagnosis gender affirming care does not happen. When there is a medical diagnosis, desistance rates are very low.
I know because it takes a diagnosis to get hormone blockers. They’re a prescription medication. How do you not understand this?
Lets say I believe, how many are misdiagnosed? Its obviously not zero, so what is the number?