I have a truly earnest question: do you think the trolley problem has an obviously correct answer?
I see so many people who are just flabbergasted (or unwilling to believe, as above) that people can see that trump is worse, but still not want to vote for Biden.
Nobody asked you to want to vote for him, but if you truly believe Trump is worse, you have to do it anyway if you care about what happens next to your country.
That’s exactly the attitude I’m talking about. Do you think the trolley problem has a right answer?
The other wrinkle is that voting for Biden shows no difference between full support and holding your nose to save democracy, so if I vote for the democrats every time, they’ll just put worse and worse candidates up. The republicans are already doing that, so every election from now on will be the pivotal one to “save democracy” (while the democrats ignore the wants of their party members in primaries).
I will do evil no matter how I vote.
I know which of these two candidates is less evil, but that doesn’t mean it’s the obvious best choice. Perhaps voting for a third party is, especially for my completely meaningless vote (CT). I don’t know yet, I need to think, and being constantly berated or called a trump supporter is really fucking annoying. It’s not going to make me vote trump (that one’s certain, at least), but it’s making it harder to neutrally evaluate the situation, because discussing it with people is fruitless.
The lack of nuance here has been a little shocking. I had hope that was just a Reddit thing, but it may just be an Internet thing. I have no idea.
I’m not ever going to vote for Trump, because he’s terrible. And I’m not ever going to vote for Biden, because he may be less terrible, but he’s still terrible.
I may one day vote Dem or Rep again, if either of those parties ever pulls their heads from their asses and produces a quality candidate.
Until then, I’m voting third party. If you can’t produce quality, I’ll find it elsewhere.
You’re absolutely right that there’s a lot of nuance here. People living in red, blue, and purple states each have a different calculus involved, and it’s not simple. If it were, the polls would be much more in favor of Biden, because even among republicans, fewer and fewer people support trump.
If Biden cut military ties with Israel or did something to stop or hinder them from continuing to commit genocide, I would probably vote for him. I don’t really like him, even with that taken out, but I would feel like my vote there would reinforce something I want to reinforce in democrats. As it is, I still don’t know.
I mean, in Biden we’re talking about a political power broker who was invited to be the VP even after he referred to Obama as “articulate and bright and clean.” That’s…WILD that that was publicly said about a black man in my lifetime.
And the Israel support, and smelling kids’ hair, and the epic Popcorn the bully story, and the black kids rubbing his leg hair story…like…grandpa ain’t making too much sense sometimes these days.
And then the other side produces a narcissist with a clear personality disorder who isn’t doing that well cognitively himself…these are our best and brightest, huh? Wow.
And this argument that a vote for a third party is essentially a vote for Trump…it’s not, and I don’t know when we made politics into a team sport, but it feels kind of weird to me.
Whichever family of weirdos gets in, they’re gonna make a whole bunch of money in legally gray ways, and it ain’t gonna enrich you a single penny. So you can put down the foam finger and stop cheering for your “side.”
That is a choice to support the only insurrectionist in the race, which is probably the point of your comment to begin with.
I have a truly earnest question: do you think the trolley problem has an obviously correct answer?
I see so many people who are just flabbergasted (or unwilling to believe, as above) that people can see that trump is worse, but still not want to vote for Biden.
Nobody asked you to want to vote for him, but if you truly believe Trump is worse, you have to do it anyway if you care about what happens next to your country.
That’s exactly the attitude I’m talking about. Do you think the trolley problem has a right answer?
The other wrinkle is that voting for Biden shows no difference between full support and holding your nose to save democracy, so if I vote for the democrats every time, they’ll just put worse and worse candidates up. The republicans are already doing that, so every election from now on will be the pivotal one to “save democracy” (while the democrats ignore the wants of their party members in primaries).
I will do evil no matter how I vote.
I know which of these two candidates is less evil, but that doesn’t mean it’s the obvious best choice. Perhaps voting for a third party is, especially for my completely meaningless vote (CT). I don’t know yet, I need to think, and being constantly berated or called a trump supporter is really fucking annoying. It’s not going to make me vote trump (that one’s certain, at least), but it’s making it harder to neutrally evaluate the situation, because discussing it with people is fruitless.
The lack of nuance here has been a little shocking. I had hope that was just a Reddit thing, but it may just be an Internet thing. I have no idea.
I’m not ever going to vote for Trump, because he’s terrible. And I’m not ever going to vote for Biden, because he may be less terrible, but he’s still terrible.
I may one day vote Dem or Rep again, if either of those parties ever pulls their heads from their asses and produces a quality candidate.
Until then, I’m voting third party. If you can’t produce quality, I’ll find it elsewhere.
You’re absolutely right that there’s a lot of nuance here. People living in red, blue, and purple states each have a different calculus involved, and it’s not simple. If it were, the polls would be much more in favor of Biden, because even among republicans, fewer and fewer people support trump.
If Biden cut military ties with Israel or did something to stop or hinder them from continuing to commit genocide, I would probably vote for him. I don’t really like him, even with that taken out, but I would feel like my vote there would reinforce something I want to reinforce in democrats. As it is, I still don’t know.
I mean, in Biden we’re talking about a political power broker who was invited to be the VP even after he referred to Obama as “articulate and bright and clean.” That’s…WILD that that was publicly said about a black man in my lifetime.
And the Israel support, and smelling kids’ hair, and the epic Popcorn the bully story, and the black kids rubbing his leg hair story…like…grandpa ain’t making too much sense sometimes these days.
And then the other side produces a narcissist with a clear personality disorder who isn’t doing that well cognitively himself…these are our best and brightest, huh? Wow.
And this argument that a vote for a third party is essentially a vote for Trump…it’s not, and I don’t know when we made politics into a team sport, but it feels kind of weird to me.
Whichever family of weirdos gets in, they’re gonna make a whole bunch of money in legally gray ways, and it ain’t gonna enrich you a single penny. So you can put down the foam finger and stop cheering for your “side.”
there is no insurrectionist candidate, except maybe cornel west, but i’d say he’s more black nationalist.
I don’t support either. Both have abysmal track records.