• Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Why are people joining .world to begin with? The entire point of this is to decentralize. Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.

    Join smaller ones like lemmy.one, lemmy.club, lemmings.world, lemmy.zip etc. We might need to start specifically recommending against .world and for general purpose instances like those.

    Also, funny how even reddit allows r/Piracy but not .world lol

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      Sync had Lemmy.world as the default instance to register a new account (might still be the case, I’m not sure). One of the factors for sure.

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        So does Voyager, Raccoon, and Eternity. Everything is just defaulting to it and it’s infuriating.

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        The dev really needs to change that then.

        Perhaps have a system of selecting randomly from a set of hand-picked general purpose instances at sign-up, where having less people gives it a higher chance of being picked (if it’s of at least a certain size of course, to prevent spam etc)

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              The issue is not about the implementation, but the filter: which criteria do you use to select instances that are eligible for the pool of instances? I’m genuinely asking because I think it takes some time to have a look on instances for people to make the best choice.

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      Why are people joining .world to begin with?

      Because how it works when you first join is very confusing, and why you would choose any particular server is not clear at all.

      Also, people want to join something that is bigger and more active because it feels like it would be better (more stable, more content, etc.)

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        In all fairness I applied to 5 Lemmy instances when the Reddit downfall started, including .ca and .world. .ml to date is still the only one to have processed my application. It may have been due to lots of applications at the time but the sheer fact my application is still pending on the other 4 instances leads me to use the one that actually works as opposed to the first one I chose.

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      Because they have no basis on which to decide where to go. It’s like buying toothpaste but there are hundreds of options, none of which you know anything about, so you get whichever seems most popular. It minimises the risk of ending up with something which is unpopular for good reasons.

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      Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.

      There’s kind of a tension here between Lemmy’s design and what makes most people join social media websites. Most people want the biggest, most centralized website.

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        And instead they get the entire network no matter what instance they sign up for. Well, somewhat less than the entire network, apparently…

        (I say this knowing full well how many think they’re “on the internet” even though they never leave Meta’s corporate web)

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      Lemmy.world is also notoriously mismanaged and has had dubious privacy issues in the past, such as their Discord situation regarding user messages

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        dubious privacy issues

        They’re also federated with threads so I wouldn’t be surprised at all. I’m a fool for sticking around in there as long as I have.

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          Some people were forced away from Reddit and don’t subscribe to that idea (yet?) - maybe they will understand that after being here for some time, but I know when my reddit app stopped working I just wanted something to fill the void

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          People want lefty reddit circle-jerk, but don’t want to use the official app or mobile website.

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      If you join a small instance, the chances are higher that it will a) be poorly maintained and b) fold quicker, forcing you to find another instance to join and re-subscribe to all your communities.

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        so long as you’re regularly exporting your profile, moving instances isn’t a big deal anymore.

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        I run my own instance that technically does have open registration, but I can’t really recommend anyone actually sign up to use it. It’s not running on very powerful hardware, and my commitment to keeping it running 24/7 is “as long as it stays convenient and interesting.” There are probably many, many of those. But there are a good collection of second and third tier instances now as well, I’m not to worried about .world’s popularity so long as they don’t do something like switch to a federation allow-list rather than a block list.

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          If by open registration, you mean without approval, I strongly recommend you add an approval step, due to spam.

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            I’m aware of the risk, but so far the captcha seems to have prevented any mass sign-up, and none of the few other existing accounts so far have any activity. That said, since I have no intention to support a user base anymore, I probably should close it anyway.

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                Agreed, and I don’t intend to stop at the moment. When I wrote “close it” I meant registration, sorry about the ambiguous language.

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          I think it still has highest number of posts and comments per day or something? It’s no longer the highest number in terms of users, but there is some basic metric of activity where hexbear still is quantifiably at the top. But anyway you’re right about the quality, that’s what’s important.

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      Also, don’t put all your eggs in one basket: diversify, diversify, diversify. Make a main account, but have more on at least one other instance. Instances go down for maintenance, software gets updated, owners change moderation policies, so on. If you can’t get to Lemmy through your main, use your secondary.

      Personally I use lemmy.sdf.org as my secondary. It’s run by a bunch of retro-enthusiast Unix nerds who more care about the functionality of the tech than anything else. No blocked communities there, and AFAIK they haven’t defederated from any instance outside of ones that were hacked/compromised. That does not mean you can just go there and be a shitbird though, they do have standards.

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        Yeah, I was cool with sitting on lemmy.world until they did something that I wasn’t cool with.

        I’m not loyal to them, or anyone else. The more choice, the better.

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      Everyone should leave that instance, the admin and the mods on that instance are big time thought police and will find excuses in their vague rules to delete your posts and eventually ban you if your views go against the grain.

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        Banning users with certain “opinions” isn’t a bad thing on its own, but on .world that grain seems to be the corporate-bootlicking grain of Reddit.

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      I think it’s fine to have a main instance, as long as that main instance isn’t gung-ho about censorship like lemmy.world has become.

      Although I definitely agree with recommending against joining lemmy.world.

      Such a shitty decision by biased mods and useful idiots. They deserve to lose power as a result.

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      Lemmy is confusing enough for people who are not used to its idea. Everybody new and with FOMO immediately went for the bigger instances.

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      why? because it feels safer to join a big and longer lasting instance than a random one with almost no users. such small instances can vanish from one day to the bext. i once created a account on such a small instance and not even a week later it was wiped from earth, taking my account with it. so it’s no wonder people chooser rather bigger instances.