I mean, they did.
Then the Israelis bombed the trucks and the hungry population surround them.
Multiple times.
It’s literally on the news?
No mate they keep getting turned away. Here’s one example:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68486248
and there was another convoy that Israel blocked because it had “prohibited items”, then it was searched and found to be ok but it was still denied entry because “fuck you” i guess. I can’t find the link atm but it’s out there.
If the truck that drives through a gate gets shot by the IDF then a truck that drives off a boat can also get shot by the IDF
And sadly most of the trucks are not getting through the border to be bombed by israel
The funniest part of that article is right at the top:
Israel has denied accusations it is preventing aid from entering Gaza.
“If there were an Oscar for best theatrical performance by a country, Israel would win every year. It’s a country based on theater. It’s a lunatic state - completely insane.”
Norman Finkelstein
“We have always been at war with Eastasia.”
In the classic capitalist way, the solution is always “more”. So the plan is likely to send more food, so Israel can keep bombing the shit out of it, some will make it, and enormous profits will be generated in the process.
We did it Patrick. We saved Palestine.
Ship corn, IDF bombs it, you now have popcorn for Palestinians, checkmate Israel
We bitched on lemmy enough while providing no solutions. Providing food to starving children is bad mmkay.
We did it Patrick. We saved Palestine.
Not directly providing the weapons shooting at the food that is already there would be a great start for the US…
Nobody is saying not to give food to the Palestinians, quite the opposite.
It’s absolutely alright to criticize the way aid is delivered, especially if the delivery method results in massive losses of life and product.
Not when you are blaming country B for the actions of country A.
It’s just bad faith propaganda
Please quote the part where I blame country B for the actions of A. I’ll wait.
In the meantime, we’re talking about criticizing the plan to circumvent a problem country B is actively participating in. Join in when you feel comfortable.
When country B gives A the bombs to commit genocide with?
Are gun store owners responsible for every murder committed with the weapons they sell?
How about entering those trucks
Which American controlled border are you going to use for that? Trucks driving over the ocean bud?
Egypt… Where the truck are.
Do you think America controls the sea next to Gaza?
You think Egypt is controlled by America?
Since when did that happen?
They can’t stop us all
It’s gonna take two months to build the pier.
Countless will starve to death by then, and it seems like a forgone conclusion Israel is going to claim it’s not safe to let Gaza control it.
They’ll seize the port, and a stretch of land connecting it to Israel.
If Biden really wanted to do something now, he’d send US military with the aid trucks.
It’s the only way to prevent Israel from attacking the aid
We aren’t going to engage in a military operation AGAINST Israel. We SHOULD, but we never will.
What?
American military escorting American aid isn’t a military action against Israel
Israel claims they can’t let aid trucks in because Hamas will steal it.
American escort means Israel can’t use that excuse, and if Israel attacks it, they’d be attacking the American military.
That isn’t a military action against Israel in any way shape and form.
Israel apologized for the attack, saying that the USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship.[5] Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship’s identity.[6] Others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.[7][8]
In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$28 million in 2022) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($28.5 million in 2022) to the men who had been wounded. In December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million ($21.3 million in 2022) as the final settlement for material damage to the ship plus 13 years of interest
From your source.
It is misinformation to claim they faced no punishment. They accepted blame and paid retribution.
I’m not going to comment on if the compensation is appropriate to the crime.
2002, Captain Ward Boston, JAGC, U.S. Navy, senior counsel for the Court of Inquiry, said that the Court of Inquiry’s findings were intended to cover up what was a deliberate attack by Israel on a ship that the Israelis knew to be American.
How does that challenge what I said?
You say they accepted blame. This is clearly false. They lied.
The argument for escorting aid in is because Israel will attack it… So what is the logical outcome of Israel attacking a US guarded convoy?
We are not going to put our people in that situation.
That still wouldn’t be a military action against Israel, and no American troops would be in Israel territory.
What you’re saying is that Israel would view preventing their genocide against Palestinians as an attack on them and then be “forced” to attack the US troops…
Israel would have to decide if they want to attack US military members to stop aid.
I’m not talking about hiding one soldier in a crate for a “gotcha”. I mean a loud and proud military escort of aid. Something that is 100% normal regardless of it’s a war zone or not.
I’ve spent 6 months of my life doing exactly this, lots more doing other stuff in the military.
I know what I’m talking about.
Not to mention, by your logic that would make Bidens plan to build a single pier over two months a military action as well…
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Hey, could you link to that thread? By that, I mean backup your claim.
https://lemm.ee/comment/10005304
https://lemm.ee/comment/9977337
Sure, do you think you could ask kindly next time?
Instead of the downvotes and acting like linking a thread is hard?
Oh, just because I matched how you were speaking, I wasn’t nice?
Edit: going to take some time to read through the comments. No opinion on the ones still up, but arguing with harderian729 is just a waste of fucking time and shouldn’t be done.
I didn’t make any pretentious requests or questions of anybody, I just added my 2 cents.
You need to read my comment better next time before attempting mimicry.
But that is asking too much of somebody who is blatantly admitting they just want to stir the shitpot.
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Edit: going to take some time to read through the comments. No opinion on the ones still up, but arguing with harderian729 is just a waste of fucking time and shouldn’t be done.
Lmao I said he should learn to read better and he decided to prove that point by throwing a fit about the wrong user.
He banned me from the politics sub for saying Biden is helping facilitate Israel’s genocide.
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Never had a problem with him.
And I’ve DMed him about mod questions before and he’s been super helpful.
Sometimes we disagree, but no one agrees 100% of the time.
I do think mods should have to at least report comments first so when they’re removed it shows in the mod log. But I seriously doubt he’s removing comments just for disagreeing with him.
I’ve seen some really down voted comments from him, with lots of people disagreeing. If he did what you said, I’d never see that.
Aight, don’t say I didn’t warn you.
If that were true I would have already nuked your nonsense and banned you. Technically this is breaking rule 4:
“No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.”
“may be removed”. ;)
I’m yet to see you leave a response that isn’t rule breaking to me. Between direct personal attacks, threats, links to videos, misinformation, and direct references to moderation are all okay for you to participate in.
I’m certain you are baiting an excuse to scrub this entire chain.
Again, if any of that were true, I would have already done so. The fact of the matter is, you have a right to be incredibly wrong. You haven’t actually broken the rules.
Now, someone rolls in with some tin-foil hattery, vaccine denial, election denial? Yeah, that’s going to get removed and likely banned. I won’t lose sleep over it.
There are others that get removed that I legit feel bad over. Good stories that are important and need to be seen, just not in this group.
You see that one today about the Lego Police Officers? Freakin’ brilliant that is. I hope it gets re-posted somewhere that allows image posting.
You banned me for saying that Biden is engaged in a genocide. Is personally providing the weapons, specifically without congressional approval, to a country actively conducting a genocide, not engaging with said genocide?
You’re much closer to openly joining them than engaging against them lol.
The US? Oh, absolutely. We’ve been protecting and justifying Israel’s bad behavior for decades now.
The analogy I like to use is Israel is the shitty little kid on the playground who thinks he can get away with anything because “my big brother can beat you up!”
It’s going to keep happening until big brother steps aside and lets him get his nose bloodied.
Genocide sounds way cuter when you use a children’s analogy. We’re all adults here so we don’t need cutesy analogies though. Joe Biden structured arms deals in a way that wouldn’t meet the minimum amount for congressional oversight, in order to enthusiastically deliver weapons being used in a genocide. A genocide that’s obvious to us commoners should be fucking pretty obvious to the person with the most military intelligence in the world. So, either he’s stupid as fuck, or an evil son of a bitch.
Either way, he needs to face justice.
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Technically they don’t have to finish the pier, we have vehicles made to transport marines and even tanks from sea to land. Even without our amphibious units, in May 2023 the USA had 3 ships delivering aid to shore in the Red Sea near Saudi Arabia in a shorter timespan.
It’s gonna take two months to build the pier
Not true
Your source?
Pentagon says 2 months:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/08/politics/floating-pier-troops-aid-gaza/index.html
The army turned Omaha Beach into a working supply area on June 7th under German artillery fire. They can make a pier in less than a week in Gaza no problem if they wanted to.
There’s a lot we could do. We could end this genocide with one phone call honestly.
The threat of abandoning Israel and withdrawing our forces in the area would make Israel agree to anything. They just know Biden isn’t willing to do anything close to that.
We’re talking about what Biden is willing to do in the timeline Biden is willing to do it in.
And that’s 2 months for the US military to build a pier.
Hell we don’t even need a pier.
A LHD has a fucking hovercraft, helicopters, and can hold an insane amount of supplies.
I spent a couple years on one, and even did aid missions like this before.
We might not be able to provide electricity and water without pier connections, but we don’t need a pier to provide packaged aid.
I really don’t believe that’s true. I think Israel’s leaders have lost their goddamn minds and they’d be willing to end themselves and the rest of the Middle East in nuclear fire if it came down to it, which it probably would if the U.S. decided to wash their hands of Israel.
If I had to lay a bet, it’s that the pier is the beginning of a US outpost in Gaza, as a check to Israeli expansion.
It’ll take longer than that, once Israel starts “accidentally” bombing the site lol.
Four downvotes so far by people who literally cannot parse reality
If this were /politics it would be -100 lol.
I swear Israel must be privately threatening to nuke Iran.
Not advocating, just hypothesizing
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2 of those things are actions from the USA, the third action is Israel.
Logical consistency 0.
This is supposedly illustrating the incapacity of the US (and other countries) to prevent Israel from using famine as a genocidal war weapon
Man if only there were some world super power acting like a global police and couping whichever country they wish that happens to have deep trade with Israel that could apply actual pressure to get them to allow the aid trucks in.
You know like threatening to embargo arms sales and trade like what happened to Iran
If only…
Yall have mistaken capitalists protecting their money as a world police force.
You can only say this while generically referencing events broadly. It’s lazy and not worth the amount of text you put behind it.
acting like a global police
I should have said pretending lol
They don’t need food anyway Ramadan is starting they need to fast.
Damn it. Tasteless, but that’s a good joke.
Maybe they should stop attacking the aid trucks. The Egyptians aren’t gonna put up with that shit, and once they’re angry the gazans are gonna be in some trouble.
You mean the israelis are gonna be in some trouble
They dgaf, never have and probably never will. On this one, they shouldn’t either. Fuck Hamas, they need to go. That’s how Palestinians will get the freedom and peace they deserve. Simping for Iran ain’t a winning formula.
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Bro, not only is there no genocide, their population is increasing during this war. They’ve got one of the highest birth rates in the world!
“No genocide” because there are not enough dead for you yet or because of some artificial definitions in use by enitities such as the UN?
EDIT: No mass murder can be classified as genocide until the US gives the green light, am I right?
No genocide by any definition other than the ones drummed up by the white Western saviour brigade.
Merriam-Webster:
the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group
How are the Palestinian communities not being deliberately and systematically destroyed? There is no “oopsie doopsie I just blew up and later colonized your homes” caveat. Also, had it not been for the US blocking resolutions, the world community, including the global south, would have denounced Israel long ago through the UN, opening for possible peace keeping troop deployment.
Even if Hamas is gone (this won’t happen because their leadership is in Qatar), Israel will just fund another fundie group so they can continue the genocide.
Qell see how long that lasts, even Qatar sees Hamas as being a problem with this negotiation.
The problem is, I don’t think either side wants to negotiate. An external enemy is so useful to those in power.
You might be right but I feel like the Israelis have some motivation with their people being held and the government teetering on the brink.
