• PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    I wish democrats would start kicking conservative and Israel supporting dems out of the party. It is NOT ok to support Israel regardless of your other positions.

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      4 months ago

      Wow I’m not from the US but it really seems like either there are some agent provocateurs out there or you guys just want to dither like idiots while Trump fucks up your country even more

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      That would require the dems to oppose those things when in reality conservatism and being pro-Israel are core democratic party values. They’re far more likely to push out anyone who opposes this genocide.

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        4 months ago

        Unfortunately I have to agree, but I consider my position more aspirational.

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      It’s also not ok to splinter the coalition with purity tests. If someone is pro democracy, pro LGBTQ, pro women’s rights, pro science, pro immigration, pro education, pro Ukraine, and pro Israel, I still want them in the fight.

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        4 months ago

        Fine. If you don’t want to be splintered, move the fuck left. Simple!

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        4 months ago

        My guy they’re literally funding an active genocide. At what point does “lesser evilism” go too far for you?

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          This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read

          As someone who grew up where it is absolutely normal to support Palestine and has been for 40 years (Ireland), women’s rights are not on the list of why this is the case.

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                  Palestinian women are exactly who we’re talking about. I don’t have any concern for Israeli women’s rights at the moment.

                  To repeat, I support Palestine, but women’s rights is not a factor in that decision.

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          You absolutely can…there are a LOT of people that are supporting Israel because that’s the de facto American position. They aren’t chronically doom scrolling…if they are its from an algorithm that was designed to validate every pre-existing belief they’ve held. If they heard you say remember Aaron Bushnell, they’ll probably assume it was another POC shot in back by a cop. Being a low information voter in an environment designed to make you so isn’t a moral failing, and if you just write those people off, you’ll never grow your coalition.

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            Being a low information voter in an environment designed to make you so isn’t a moral failing

            Disagree tbh. It’s only acceptable if you don’t vote. If you’re actively voting without understanding what you’re voting for, that in itself is wrong and you’re also much more likely to vote for something immoral.

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            America isn’t feminist, at all so if anything, you should be giving the side-eye to anything America is doing if you call yourself a feminist. I’m not “writing these people off,” I’m challenging them. Saying “I’m a feminist” without understanding what that means, isn’t useful to anyone except rainbow capitalism, and whoever the next neo-liberal woman ghoul to run for president is. If you are a feminist, and someone says you can’t be a feminist and support israel, you should do some introspection.

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          Feminism is liberal as shit, that’s why you see stuff like trans exclusion types who are little more than polite nazis in both words and actions.

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            2nd wave feminism is that yes, but proper feminism leads one to the contradictions of capitalism.

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      The main lesson I took away from Bernie’s runs is that trying to reform the Democratic party is a lost cause because the entrenched interests are too strong.