A nonprofit organization that researches links between social media, hate and extremism has been threatened with a lawsuit by X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter.

  • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.org
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    11 months ago

    “How dare those researchers gather data and then publish factual analysis of that data”

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      11 months ago

      There’s factual analysis of incorrect or incomplete data though.

      If you only went to a bunch of far left accounts and looked at all their replies to people calling them Nazis, then those people reply calling them names too, you’ll form a very different “factual analysis” than if you went to a cute puppies twitter account and analyse the replies in there.

      Not all studies are legit, unbiased, or factual. People need to move away from the idea that a study being done means the results are true. You can pay to get a study done that will give you a “factual analysis” that says the earth is flat.

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        11 months ago

        That’s not incorrect, but at best you get grounds to audit the data and publish a more complete picture, not just handwave away their data as inherently worthless.

        If they refuse to publish the data (in a way that preserves privacy of users but otherwise is sufficient to evaluate the methodology and legitimacy), then you second guess. But tossing it out without that (especially when it’s very clearly in line with all the other ways to look at the site) isn’t justified.

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          11 months ago

          A quick look at the report is all you need to see how badly they bungled (intentionally possibly) the research. Right from the first line of page 1 you can see it’s not unbiased or factual.

          1. Tweets mentioning the hateful ‘grooming’ narrative have jumped 119% under Musk

          Firstly, they’re classifying the term “grooming” as hate speech. That’s not factual.

          Secondly, they say this further down on page 1:

          Note that this analysis captures the volume of discourse around the ‘groomer’ narrative, which includes tweets defending the LGBTQ+ community as well as those leveling the slurs.

          So now they’re taking the volume of discourse including the people defending the so called hate speech and using that to fuel the “increase in hate speech” figures. They’re counting 1 person saying “you’re a groomer” and then 10 people saying “they’re not a groomer” as 11 counts of “hate speech” for this “research”. I don’t think I really need to explain why that is wrong, do I?

          On Page 3 they then go on to talk about 5 specific accounts that they clearly don’t like and classify as “hate speech accounts”, and then “guesstimate” how much revenue that has brought in to Twitter. They make the conclusion:

          The estimates demonstrate that Twitter is directly profiting from hosting ads on content by leading promoters of anti-LGBTQ+ hate.

          But really what they mean is “more views = more money from ads”. Well duh, this is how ads work.

          The entire research is essentially “we have declared that the term “groomer” is hate speech, so anything associated with any account that has ever had the word groomer mentioned in a tweet or reply since musk took over is amplifying hate speech”.

          That’s it. That’s the entire research. They declared something as hate speech, found 5 popular accounts where that word was mentioned in a tweet, and then they went to town just manipulating data to get the conclusion that they wanted to get.

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            11 months ago

            Firstly, they’re classifying the term “grooming” as hate speech. That’s not factual.

            I couldn’t agree more, I’m glad you said this. See, I personally think all conservatives (presumably such as yourself, but if you’re not, you’re obviously close enough) are pedophilic sexual predators by nature, which is why they so readily jump to the false conclusion that everyone wants to fuck kids all the time. Normally I wouldn’t say this because when I’ve said so in the past, conservatives have been real mad about it and viewed it as hateful to be associated with something so repulsive merely by way of having a certain political identity, but it’s nice to be in a safe space you’ve created that allows for me to share this decidedly non-hateful speech targeted at conservatives (and you!) that expresses my complete and utter contempt for you and your gross, clearly unsafe way with children. I mean, you willingly force them into churches (a.k.a ‘rape factories’) all the time. Tells you all you need to know about any conservative. You’re obviously complicit.

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    11 months ago

    This guy is single-handedly both showing us the rich didn’t earn anything by being anything other than lucky, and the playbook they use to keep that fact quiet.

  • joneskind@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    “I will sue you” from Elon Musk has the same energy of a 7 yo boy saying “I’ll tell my dad”.

  • DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com
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    11 months ago

    Ah, a great example of the Streisand Effect in action. If this hadn’t have made the news, I’d never have known about this research. Fantastic!

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    11 months ago

    I don’t know. I dislike Musk as much as anyone but this NGO isn’t transparent about their funding and the people involved are way too involved in shitty UK think tanks and politics to not consider them as part of a campaign to reign in on actual free speech in the name of “protecting people from harm”.

    Stuff like that should be grass roots and not a “yeah we’re funded by private philanthropist institutions but we don’t disclosure which ones” op.

    Nothing about these people feels legit.

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      11 months ago

      You don’t have to invoke deep state shady interests when it comes to Musk’s Twitter. We’ve all witnessed the rise of hateful content since he’s in charge. Some just bothered to gather the numbers to make a statement.

      Even if Bezos and Zuck (or anyone you can think of) ordered the research it doesn’t change anything to the really. It’s simply irrelevant against facts.

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      11 months ago

      But does it really matter if they provide real evidence that backs up their research?

      • zephyrvs@lemmy.ml
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        11 months ago

        Yes, because you can still cherry pick results, studies, sources and skew data.

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          11 months ago

          This is where you use the scientific method to counter-argument their claims, not the court.

          Threatening to sue is just another attempt at censorship, ironic from someone so free speech.

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        11 months ago

        Their “evidence” is garbage. Their entire research is based on them saying that the word “groomer” is “hate speech”.

  • Pons_Aelius@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    Another day, another shocking thing EM has done.

    Almost as if it is all deliberate to keep his name constantly in the news cycle…

  • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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    11 months ago

    Sue them? On what grounds?

    They would only be looking at comments that are publicly visible. You might as well argue that people shouldn’t research graffiti scrolled on walls.