• partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Confederates weren’t punished after the US Civil War, and what did they do after that?

    The ideals and policies the Confederates had during and after the war were abhorrent. That is unquestionable.

    However, I struggle to envision what “punishment” for the former Confederate state would have been.

    “The population of the Union was 18.5 million. In the Confederacy, the population was listed as 5.5 million free and 3.5 million enslaved. In the Border States there were 2.5 million free inhabitants and 500,000 enslaved people.” source

    So 25% of the newly reunited population of the USA was part of the Confederacy. How do you punish 25% of your population? Some kind of tax or restriction of freedom on them? Discrimination against blacks was the primary driver for the war. How could the Union then go on to build a new system that would do that to 25% of its citizens?

    We also have history to draw from with regard to punishing an entire aggressor population. Post WWI Germany got smacked down hard with huge debts and restrictions on production as punishment for starting WWI. Most historical analysis I’ve seen says that this punishment was a large contributor to the rise of NAZI Germany just 21 years later.

    If the post-civil war US government did the same to the former Confederacy, would the USA have a history including Civil War II?

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      9 months ago

      Punish here isn’t meant as a short-term restriction or taking of freedoms. Punish is instead meant for the long term. While I cannot say as to what the correct option would have been, I will say we far too quickly, in reference to the passage of years from the Civil War to today, went from “FREE THEM!” to “Welp, aight, did that. Guess everything is good now.”

      It wasn’t good now.

      So what we failed to truly do was follow up and quash the little pockets that exist today much larger and with a damned ancient fruit as their lead.

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        9 months ago

        Its been a long time since I’ve been in a classroom, so I can’t say.

        With your question do you believe Reconstruction was contained punishment that was insufficient to meet @[email protected] 's desired level?

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      9 months ago

      My dude, there’s a vast difference between “justice” and “vengeance.”

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        9 months ago

        My dude, there’s a vast difference between “justice” and “vengeance.”

        I agree completely.

        For the post @[email protected] 's post above, what is your suggestion about how to pushing the newly defeated Confederacy in 1865?

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        9 months ago

        While this isn’t something I’d necessarily advocate for, the anti-treason part of the constitution could have easily seen the high command of the confederacy hanged for it.

        This could have potentially worked. History afterward showed that the hanging worked at Nuremberg, and modern day Germany show no repercussions from that action.