Bangladeshi residents and others in Monfalcone say decisions to prohibit worship at cultural centres and banning burkinis at the beach is part of anti-Islam agenda

Bangladeshi residents and others in Monfalcone say decisions to prohibit worship at cultural centres and banning burkinis at the beach is part of anti-Islam agenda

The envelope containing two partially burned pages of the Qur’an came as a shock. Until then, Muslim residents in the Adriatic port town of Monfalcone had lived relatively peacefully for more than 20 years.

Addressed to the Darus Salaam Muslim cultural association on Via Duca d’Aosta, the envelope was received soon after Monfalcone’s far-right mayor, Anna Maria Cisint, banned prayers on the premises.

“It was hurtful, a serious insult we never expected,” said Bou Konate, the association’s president. “But it was not a coincidence. The letter was a threat, generated by a campaign of hate that has stoked toxicity.”

Monfalcone’s population recently passed 30,000. Such a positive demographic trend would ordinarily spell good news in a country grappling with a rapidly declining birthrate, but in Monfalcone, where Cisint has been nurturing an anti-Islam agenda since winning her first mandate in 2016, the rise has not been welcomed.

  • fastandcurious@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    9 months ago

    I can’t seem to find one that sorts by religion, can you provide me an English with link to the exact page?

    And if having a death penalty for being a rapist (I am not talk about minorities here) means a lot less no. of overall women raped, than I am more than happy tbh, the rules are strict but they also mean it is a lot lot safer, a person is gonna think twice before stealing your hard earned mac because of the fear of amputation (even though it’s not commonly done)

    My current city is suffering with a rape epidemic, and the reason for that is most people can get out of jail after a few months if they provide enough money or have enough power, if they just announce that death penalty, I’d be happy

    But we are drifting off topic here

    • BaardFigur@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 months ago

      I can’t seem to find one that sorts by religion, can you provide me an English with link to the exact page?

      You can look at which countries are overrepresented, and what the Islam populations of these contries are. Compare that to the underrepresented countries.

      Furthermore there’s countless of news articles about violent riots caused by muslims, and murder attempts towards Quran burners. And that’s just Norway. The situation in Sweden has been extreme lately, far worse than in Norway, or anywhere else in Europe. It got so bad that they asked the military for help. I will give you countless sources, but right now I’m at work, and don’t have time

      • fastandcurious@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 months ago

        Uh, maybe let’s say you are right, I can’t seem to make heads nor tails of the website, but if that’s the case, then I could see where you are coming from, but I still think that discriminating an entire religious group that makes up 25% of the world population for some bad actors is till racism

        Edit: but why are you guys burning quran anyway?

        • BaardFigur@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          9 months ago

          Murder attempt: https://youtu.be/rMGBz5Zxld4 Rioting: https://youtu.be/oQSBqdEt-Bo More rioting and aggressiveness https://youtu.be/feCEk81OATQ Even more rioting: https://youtu.be/FlfgiSEiTfY Even more rioting: https://www.bt.no/hendelser/i/wAQRoo/eritrea-demonstrasjon-endte-i-slagsmaal-politiet-ber-folk-holde-seg-unna Swedish military having to get involved due to kurdish gang violence in Sweden: https://www.tv2.no/nyheter/sverige-forsvaret-skal-hjelpe-politiet-i-gjengkrigen/16089740/

          Etc, you get the point. Who are burning the quran? SIAN (Stopp islamisering av Norge - Stop Islamization of Norway). It’s a legitimate critisism towards against an anti-western religion that is getting increased footing in Norway.

          A religion isn’t a race, so it’s not racism. It’s not just some bad actors, it’s a disproportionally higher amount than any other group. When 25% of the world population are muslims, why does Norway/Europe need to take them in as refugees? Europe itself has less than 10% of the world population, and Norways has less than 1% of Europes population. It’s way better for all parties if they’re taken in by someone with a more similar culture, instead.

          • fastandcurious@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            9 months ago

            It’s upto norway to decide whether they want to take Muslims or not, so I am not gonna debate that, and from here I guess you are right that maybe a particular group might be causing more problems than others, but then I think you should clearly spell it out and say muslims will be under extra scrutiny/different laws, don’t put on the image of secularism, which is my entire point

            It’s a legitimate criticism towards against an anti western religion that is getting increased footing in norway

            Okay I am genuinely curious here, I am not very well versed about what’s going on in norway but I surely haven’t heard anything major like muslims planning a coup and overthrowing the government, or is this something else I don’t know

            • BaardFigur@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              9 months ago

              There’s a pressure towards EU/EØS countries to take in so called “quota refugees”. Norway is way to willing in that regard. Our politicians, and unfortunately way to many people living here, are taking them in way too willingly.

              Secularism: imo all religions, even christianity should be threated as a cult. Secularism should be less about freedom of religion, and more about freedom from religion. Doesn’t mean I want to burn down all of our churches and history, just that we should move forward with less religion rather than more.

              About overthrowing, there may not be any concrete plan, but many muslims share the same goal of “spreading their faith”. Lebanon is an example of a country that got destabilized into a civil war, after taking in too many palestinian refugees, turning it into a muslim majority country.

              • fastandcurious@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                9 months ago

                Imho countries like Lebanon would probably have descended on civil war anyway because of lack of resources and brutal military intervention by guess who

                imo all religions, even christianity should be treated as a cult

                Here is the problem, conveniently made a comment about this just somewhere above in this post. https://lemmy.world/comment/7735405

                We both disagree on a very fundamental thing as you can see, I don’t see any point in continuing the discussion further, thanks for your time

                • BaardFigur@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  9 months ago

                  I feel like I have to make a final comment, because I disagree strongly with the comment you linked. That being an atheist is about being cool and edgy. One of the main reasons I dislike religion in the first place (especially Islam), is due to all the horrible stuff happening in the name of some religion. Stuff like religous wars, hatred towards other religions, rejecting science, and controlling of others (especially women). You may call atheism a religion on its own, and that I hate muslims, but I disagree. It’s all about not tolerating the intolerant.

                  • fastandcurious@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                    9 months ago

                    horrible stuff happening in the name of religion

                    Well I hate that too and Ig I should have clarified that, for me religion is something you study and own but only for yourself, not something you impose on others, sure you can share it, but forcing it, a big NO

                    Science is comparatively not talked that much about in religion because it is not the main topic

                    Talking about quran specifically, I don’t think you will find anything that goes against established science, because all of the things it talks about are not some rocket science but rather everyday observations (plants growing, embryos etc), and I know it’s far fetched, but if you study comparative religion, you wont find anything in it that completely contradicts common sense, or is forced or bigoted, some strict rules that might exist are part of what you accept when you accept a particular religion/take part in something, and since there is no compulsion, I don’t think there is a problem (https://quran.com/al-baqarah/256)

                    And I would also like to add that that I understand your frustration, a tree is recognized by it’s fruit, you can’t say ‘Oh we are the worst kind of people, but my religion makes sense, see for yourself’, I think any sane person will respond somewhere along the lines ‘Why should I tolerate a tree whose products are rotten people like you’ or something idk I can’t seem to come up with anything better, so it’s something we all have to work on

                    Edit: And a lot of strict rules about women aren’t that strict to begin with, they were just made so by overly conservative people or people who somewhat misunderstood some quranic verses based specifically about the prophets household, thankfully most people nowadays are of a much more moderate position (see for eg nouman ali khan, he is stated as conservative by a lot of people, but you could see his stance his much different than what the media and extremely conservative scholars might make you believe)

                    So I will say, that your frustration is not completely unreasonable, but I will still maintain that taking someones basic right based on the fact that they are muslims is wrong, you can maybe put them in extra scrutiny when traveling or in public spaces, but stopping them from making a prayer? I don’t think so