Karl Marx’s biggest philosophical mistake is his trust in the proletariat, forgetting that the average Joe is a complete dumbass.
You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.
This is why education is such a pillar of society and why authoritarian ideologies oppose it so much. If the working class gets too smart then the owning class is in trouble.
I prefer the term, complex dumbass.
It’s always goofy when reactionaries and conservatives pull the human nature card, as though Capitalism is inherently natural despite only being a few hundred years old.
People can share tools, shocker!
Homo Sapiens would not have exceeded the other Hominids if not for cooperation.
The Sapiens secret of success is large-scale flexible cooperation. This has made us masters of the world. But at the same time it has made us dependent for our very survival on vast networks of cooperation.
No man is an island, but for the right price you can purchase one ☝️
While I agree that cooperation is rad AF, I think it’s willfully ignorant to ignore the historical context of cooperation in the face of competition against the other.
Trying to make a naturalistic argument without acknowledging that is only telling half of the story, and the other half is pretty wart-y.
It’s not about ignoring crazy people and prisons, aberrant behavior will always exist. It’s about instilling a culture of collectivism versus individualism, which incentivizes competition and exclusion.
Not only do the objective conditions change in the act of reproduction, e.g. the village becomes a town, the wilderness a cleared field etc., but the producers change, too, in that they bring out new qualities in themselves, develop themselves in production, transform themselves, develop new powers and ideas, new modes of intercourse, new needs and new language. Source.
It’s historical materialism.
That’s not at all what I’m referring to.
Collective organization has almost exclusively been in the context of there being “barbarians” on the doorstep.
We need to cooperate because if we don’t the (Sumarians, Babylonians,Persians, Macedonians, Mongols, Visigoths, Blackfoot, English, Soviets, Terrorists) will destroy our way of life.
I’m not saying it’s necessarily and universally TRUE (although in many cases it was) but human cooperation has historically been bound to human competition.
“Let’s all work together in harmony” is the first, rosy half of the fuller “so that those other people don’t fuck us. Even better, so we can destroy them first”
A peaceful society (in your estimation) has never existed, so it’s not worth it to try.
Again, that’s not at all what I’m saying.
I’m saying that claiming human cooperation as a natural state without acknowledging the other side of the coin as being human competition is intentionally cherry picking.
If an intelligent person were to be listening to history, they might instead conclude that cooperation w/ competition could exist without necessarily a violent competition. Humans vs space, humans vs COVID. I think it’s possible to frame non-human agents as “the competition”, it’s happened before.
It’s not an either/or. It’s how we organize society. If you prescribe to historical materialism, which I do, you understand that it’s a choice of how we prioritize resources in society.
This is is the age old battle of idealism versus materialism.
Don’t worry, so did Adam Smith!
John locke, Voltaire, and Montesquieu boisterously rise from their graves…
There is no such thing as human nature and anyone claiming such a thing to support their arguments is full of shit.
The only thing all humans have to do is breathe, eat, drink, piss and shit. Literally everything else is optional and how you go about solving those requirements is entirely up to you.
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This, but unironically.
One more person who knows nothing about the subject.
I would suggest starting here
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Is your philosophy really defeated by…
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Men holding hands?
I suggest reading my first comment again, before writing something more ambigious.
Your downvotes mean nothing, if you don’t express the reasons for them, to have a meaningful discussion.
Don’t wanna spend your precious “time” with “utopian” ideology you say? Then you’re a brainwashed unit who can’t even go away for a moment from his comfort zone & beliefs to learn something new about some subject. You only hear a fraction of info and think you know every detail. With this you are not even fit to have a dialog.
Please, I know your type of people, thinking if a person chooses money over his/her family, honor, then it’s the nature. You slightly brag about human values, but in the end nothing is done on your side, nothing.
… So yes?
Do you think I would write such a long text to prove your point? Read it again.
Not intentionally
What does any of that have to do with gay people?
Sorry comrades, workers can’t seize the means of production this weekend; Ru Paul’s Drag Race is on.
One more person who knows nothing about the subject.
What a great quote to use against you.
A homophobe with the username ‘europe_will_live’. How original. Fuck off loser.
