saying something this edgy does not absolve you of bigotry
let’s kill the structures of white supremacy so that “white” isn’t really a thing
white people can’t help but fantasize about genocide even when it’s to themselves
but on a serious note I think for some users it crosses into suicidal ideation and that makes me very uncomfortable
Yeah cause if you say stuff like that around right wingers they’ll just say you’re doing reverse racism. And if you say it around liberals they’ll say it’s too violent and uncivil. It’s an insult that only works on people who already agree with you.
And even if people understand rationally that it’s jokes, it’s not actually racist, etc., in their heart of hearts it feels like they’re unwanted even in their own niche online political subculture that they’ve alienated everything else in life to fit into. And since most of us are in the west there’s little actual movement to be a part of, so it is just alienating and lonely. That’s the only reason this website exists.
If people don’t fit in with normal people in their lives and they don’t fit in even in the weird niche they have left, what’s left? And the response is who cares about white tears, why prejudice the comfort of white people over liberation for oppressed minorities. Which makes sense…but it making sense doesn’t make you not feel bad about it.
Obviously the real answer is to not care at all about anything anyone posts online. Because it’s all fake and silly. I don’t know anyone here. But if it’s okay to make jokes about the mayocide, I should be allowed to joke about starting it locally on myself
Dang the alienating bit was rough, you hit a friendly on the way
Personally, I would like to see some of that energy being used for more productive anti-racist actions
But then again, this a website for little goofy people sometimes and that means that people will be little and goofy sometimes
If telling people to stop posting worked, we wouldn’t be here
who the fuck is scraeming log off at my house??
The grass cannot consent to being touched.
Wake up babe new site tagline just dropped
LOL
I agree, it’s incredibly self serving and you’re not fooling anybody
I bet many other POC feel the same as me but I rarely even complain about white people here because I know it’s like 90% white so it’s just an audience that could never empathize with what I’m saying
most people HERE specifically are probably doing it to signify either that it’s funny, or that they aren’t silently brooding, or to make fun of the lemmy people taking it seriously. It’s more like a “har har” than going doe-eyed and slowly nodding like “yeah no, I know, I know, actually my partner and I decided against having children because white supremacy is…”
ymmv for other groups of people
If we keep up the joke it will no longer be a joke. Total support for the message going from ironic to serious!
This is exactly what happened to r/pcmasterrace and probably a hundred other examples I’m forgetting.
It’s a shibboleth for this community. Something you use to alienate people who don’t know that, under all those layers of irony, you don’t actually want to kill white people. Also preserves the identity of the community as an edgy/crass leftist space.
They hated him because he spoke the truth
Are you fucking quoting yourself?
power move ngl
dont really want to hear it from “you’re half cracker,” they were bringing up a comment they posted that they found relavant.
You need to understand white people need of making everything about them. Is like basically their only culture.
We prefer Saltinx thanks
Mayo-American for me please
Very true
They’re not particularly valuable posts
If hexbears wanna express their frustrations with racism or white supremacy I think it’s fair to give them a platform to vent, but self-flagellation doesn’t really do anything
absolutely
I agree, bits aren’t worth possibly turning our non-white comrades away if it comes acrosa as performative
Yeah, definitely.
Let’s colonize anti-racism
this hits the nail on the head of how i feel about this.
we are losing our wayIt doesn’t need to be racist to be cringe or unhelpful
Honestly I thought these jokes were funny 3 or 4 years ago but have we not beat the dead horse enough at this point? It’s just overplayed now
We can reassess it’s necessity when the underlying critiques of white supremacy stop being relevant
In the last 24 hours one of the biggest of these threads can be distilled down to saying “Skiing is white supremacist for only being in places with cold climates”, “snow is racist”, and “sports that do not specifically cater to me and the place I live are inherently bourgeois.” People just blew up a thread about skiing bitching about the gear being expensive in California, imagining that people would make fun of them for using old gear (most people think retro gear is dope), and saying that it’s problematic because it doesn’t exist in [places where snow does not fall]
Half of the threads that are ostensibly about hating white people are posted by a couple of users who mostly post these types of threads very clearly as a form of self harm.
These arguments are not as productive or relevant as you think.
I don’t want any comrades to self-harm, yes, even if they are white
The same OP of that thread called a biracial person in this thread a “half cracker” to dismiss their discomfort with posts they feel are hateful or self-hateful.
I think we should be able to recognize that there is a line crossed by some of these posts where they aren’t really jokes anymore, and actually reflect essentialist ideology. that’s a lack of theoretical understanding, and worse, a lack of kindness and empathy for different perspectives.
The same OP of that thread called a biracial person in this thread a “half cracker”
wtf
Essentiallist ideology and a lack of theoretical understanding
There is one thing, exactly one thing I agree with right wingers about, and that’s that white guilt is liberalism
I don’t think they’re self harming. I read them and all I can see is “please please please please please please like me” with a little “lol jk” to make it go down an easier.
There very definitely are some users who clearly post when spiralling and will post a handful of very clearly self-harming posts each month most of which get removed by mods for being buckwild, and maybe one of which from the beginning of the spiral gets left up and then becomes one of these struggle session posts you’re talking about.
yeah it was kind of annoying
I don’t think they educate anyone in that. If one finds them funny, one is already well convinced of critiques of white supremacy. They’re jokes, not education.
I just want more creative jokes tbh
Yeah I don’t think their utility is educating, I just imagine they’ll stop being made once there’s not a white supremacy background to joke about.
I agree. I would never expect my post, or any post, to make that not happen at all
i’m not saying we cant clown on mayos but come on. there’s a certain point where it stops being making fun of white people and crosses into weird self-hatred and white guilt and stops being funny.
That’s fair, gotta rate the vibe I suppose
I’m one of the bad ones
bad to the bone, babyyyyyhey we were all 14 once
“white” people don’t exist and if you think they do you’re tainted by white supremacy
Saying this the next time someone racistly throws a cracker at me.
“I thought you said whiteness was a social construct?”
A saltine shuriken to the eye hurts almost as much as a regular shuriken to the eye. It’s probably all the large grains of salt.
Going up to the black panthers and saying this and crying as I get laughed at and beat up
