I vape and I love it and it’s definitely better than cigs. Nicotine on its own is no more harmful than caffeine and is incredibly useful at treating my adhd and depression symptoms. I smoked for 8 years and now have been vaping for ten. While I smoked I felt like shit all the time. Since switching to vaping I haven’t had a single negative side effect. I make my own juice, it’s unflavored. It’s literally just nicotine, propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, which basically makes it an asthma inhaler but for nicotine instead of asthma drugs. I never plan to quit because I buy the ingredients in bulk and it only costs me like $40 a year for me and my girlfriend. There is no downside. Yes I’m addicted but so are many people to coffee. I see no downside at all.
The whole point is that the health risks of vaping are negligible. I’ve vaped for ten years with no side effects. I vapid through having covid twice and recovered fine. Find me one study with real reproducible health risks to vaping, I’ll wait.
Didn’t read it did you? Those were all those cases in the news and have never been linked to nicotine only vapes. It was from sketchy companies using subpar ingredients.
The most common brand associated with EVALI is Dank Vape, a brand of products containing THC, the principal psychoactive ingredient in marijuana.
Exclusively using products with THC increases risk for EVALI. (It’s unclear whether people who used nicotine-only vapes also were exposed to vape products with THC, or whether other ingredients caused the lung injury.)
Vitamin E acetate is strongly associated with EVALI. It is found largely in counterfeit brands (and recently in Juul products from South Korea). Vitamin E is a supplement considered safe when ingested or applied to the skin. Vitamin E acetate is an oil derivative used in vaping products as a thickener. It is found in about half of the products associated with EVALI. A recent small study found vitamin E deposits in the lung tissue of EVALI patients.
Is breathing in any modern city putting stuff other than air in your lungs? Yes. Multiple studies have shown that nicotine on its own is no more dangerous than caffeine. Do you drink coffee or tea? If you don’t want to vape that’s fine, but it’s an enormous harm reduction tool for people who did or do smoke cigarettes, and people like you with no evidence just demonizing it for no reason just pushes people back to the tobacco companies. Smoking does kill, at enormously dangerous rates, so anything that helps people stop smoking is good, especially if it’s a substitution with minimal health risks of its own.
How does one get started intelligently on this? I’m using disposable and would love to cut waste and expenses but I really like the draw of the disposable. I don’t care about blowing clouds. I want some restriction to the drag and would love to mix my own vape. I’ve thrown away over $500 of vapes trying to figure out how to get something that just works. I hate all the parts and settings with the ones I’ve gotten. With the disposable I can pick them up and vape. I don’t have to worry about what the wattage or other bs is. Is their an effective option for someone that’s not a vape snob? I just want the miller lite of vape solutions and while saving money would be great I already spend significantly less than I did on cigarettes, I mostly hate myself for all the battery and plastic waste I’m creating.
My girlfriend and I both use the little nord handheld vapes. Nord 5 or nord 50 watt is a good place to start. They’re cheap enough to replace if they get broken or lost and they get the job done. Then you just need the juice. You can use any flavored juice from a vape store, or just go online and look for bulk nicotine juice, sometimes putting ‘DIY’ in the search can help. I got a liter for $80 recently, but prices have been rising in canada due to new restrictions. Still waaaayyyy cheaper than paying $30 for 30ml though. Then you replace the coil in the cartridge every couple weeks or when it starts to get burnt. The nice thing about the unflavored juice is no sugar or additives so it doesn’t clog up the coil as fast. Super simple to use and not one of those big metal monster machines that people use to blow clouds. Fits nice in a pocket or purse.
I vape. I hate it, but its probably better than cigs
I vape and I love it and it’s definitely better than cigs. Nicotine on its own is no more harmful than caffeine and is incredibly useful at treating my adhd and depression symptoms. I smoked for 8 years and now have been vaping for ten. While I smoked I felt like shit all the time. Since switching to vaping I haven’t had a single negative side effect. I make my own juice, it’s unflavored. It’s literally just nicotine, propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, which basically makes it an asthma inhaler but for nicotine instead of asthma drugs. I never plan to quit because I buy the ingredients in bulk and it only costs me like $40 a year for me and my girlfriend. There is no downside. Yes I’m addicted but so are many people to coffee. I see no downside at all.
Apart from the health risks, of course…
The whole point is that the health risks of vaping are negligible. I’ve vaped for ten years with no side effects. I vapid through having covid twice and recovered fine. Find me one study with real reproducible health risks to vaping, I’ll wait.
I mean I just have to provide two anecdotes to disprove your one anecdote.
Or just a single study?
Why would I google that for you when I can just tell you a couple of stories about people who vaped and got sick?
Don’t worry, I’ve provided him with a study so we’ll see if he responds. Here it is again for him to see:
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/evali-new-information-on-vaping-induced-lung-injury-2020040319359
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/evali-new-information-on-vaping-induced-lung-injury-2020040319359
Didn’t read it did you? Those were all those cases in the news and have never been linked to nicotine only vapes. It was from sketchy companies using subpar ingredients.
The most common brand associated with EVALI is Dank Vape, a brand of products containing THC, the principal psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. Exclusively using products with THC increases risk for EVALI. (It’s unclear whether people who used nicotine-only vapes also were exposed to vape products with THC, or whether other ingredients caused the lung injury.) Vitamin E acetate is strongly associated with EVALI. It is found largely in counterfeit brands (and recently in Juul products from South Korea). Vitamin E is a supplement considered safe when ingested or applied to the skin. Vitamin E acetate is an oil derivative used in vaping products as a thickener. It is found in about half of the products associated with EVALI. A recent small study found vitamin E deposits in the lung tissue of EVALI patients.
Is vaping only nicotine putting something other than air in your lungs? Yes? It’s causing you harm.
Are you one of the people that also think smoking doesn’t kill because there are 90 year olds out there that smoked a pack a day for 20 years?
Is breathing in any modern city putting stuff other than air in your lungs? Yes. Multiple studies have shown that nicotine on its own is no more dangerous than caffeine. Do you drink coffee or tea? If you don’t want to vape that’s fine, but it’s an enormous harm reduction tool for people who did or do smoke cigarettes, and people like you with no evidence just demonizing it for no reason just pushes people back to the tobacco companies. Smoking does kill, at enormously dangerous rates, so anything that helps people stop smoking is good, especially if it’s a substitution with minimal health risks of its own.
How does one get started intelligently on this? I’m using disposable and would love to cut waste and expenses but I really like the draw of the disposable. I don’t care about blowing clouds. I want some restriction to the drag and would love to mix my own vape. I’ve thrown away over $500 of vapes trying to figure out how to get something that just works. I hate all the parts and settings with the ones I’ve gotten. With the disposable I can pick them up and vape. I don’t have to worry about what the wattage or other bs is. Is their an effective option for someone that’s not a vape snob? I just want the miller lite of vape solutions and while saving money would be great I already spend significantly less than I did on cigarettes, I mostly hate myself for all the battery and plastic waste I’m creating.
My girlfriend and I both use the little nord handheld vapes. Nord 5 or nord 50 watt is a good place to start. They’re cheap enough to replace if they get broken or lost and they get the job done. Then you just need the juice. You can use any flavored juice from a vape store, or just go online and look for bulk nicotine juice, sometimes putting ‘DIY’ in the search can help. I got a liter for $80 recently, but prices have been rising in canada due to new restrictions. Still waaaayyyy cheaper than paying $30 for 30ml though. Then you replace the coil in the cartridge every couple weeks or when it starts to get burnt. The nice thing about the unflavored juice is no sugar or additives so it doesn’t clog up the coil as fast. Super simple to use and not one of those big metal monster machines that people use to blow clouds. Fits nice in a pocket or purse.
Thank you very much for the detailed response, having a place to start makes it feel a lot more approachable.