On Nathan J. Robinson. I learnt yesterday that he didnāt do any union-busting, and the departing writers/editors who stirred up so much drama on left-Twitter were lying all along. This article by Yasmin Nair gives the full breakdown with a lot of receipts.
I was linked this article by @[email protected] in his post yesterday, where NJR was vindicated on calling out Fetterman being terrible back in 2022. The replies to that tweet are filled with people dunking on Nathan, while the quote tweets, almost all from the past couple days, are filled with everyone apologizing.
Itās pretty interesting to see.
Iām currently going through his other tweets. So far, NJR seems like a pretty decent guy with a lot of good analysisā, completely different from the caricature I made up in my mind from memes and tweets.
Itās quite strange. I used to read Current Affairs before the āincidentā and even listened to the podcast. I liked everyone there, including Nathan. I guess thatās why when I heard what happened, and saw in real time all the people I liked fighting with each other (well, all the people I recognised from the articles and the podcast dunking Nathan), I felt betrayed in a sense. I remember writing an email or filling out a form or something similar that the writers whoād been āfiredā had set up. Maybe I donated money too, but I donāt remember that. If I did, it would be a small amount.
And I stopped my subscription to Current Affairs, changing it to Jacobin instead.
There was a lot of trolling that went on. I donāt think I ever tweeted at him personally, but that doesnāt matter. I know I consumed the tweets and posts (even here and on the subreddit back when it existed!)
Why? For me, I guess, it was a sense of justice mixed with betrayal: here was a man who headed an org I respected who had betrayed these principals we all hold dear, and in doing so hurt these other people who I also like. And the only power I have in enacting ājusticeā is in ridiculing him a little bit.
But even then, that never achieved anything. I wonāt say ādunkingā as a whole is useless. It can be useful in bringing people together and giving us a sense of camaraderie, but only when itās against deserving subjects - billionaires and the like. Itās like part of forming an identity around common things we hate.
Butā¦ completely divorced from any other forms of unification, any other ways to group and coalesce, all that left is a weak identity that does nothing but dunk for no other purpose. Thats, I guess, what happened to me.
None of us here became leftists for the purpose of trolling others. Using it to hurt and bully others is what people on the right do, even if they consider themselves apolitical sometimes.
But dunking on Nathanā¦became that. Didnāt it? In the article, Yasmin Nair points to real world examples of people bullying him. I imagine they did so out of a similar feeling of ābetrayalā, and sought ājusticeā too. But how would that achieve it? It wouldnāt. It canāt.
This happened because we separated our actual politics - leftism - from our online activities. Maybe not all of us, but Iād wage at least quite a few. If Current Affairs had failed in the years between the Incident and the start of Jan, 2024, I wouldāve thought āsad this happened, but serves him rightā with no thought to the actual damage that wouldāve done to the real world impacts of losing a magazine like that to left politics.
Thatās a failing on my part. Itās a failing that I let my personal grievances with Nathan (Ill-informed as I now know) shut me off completely from Current Affairs as a whole, with all the great writers who work and publish there, then and now.
I remember there was an effort, early on in this siteās history, of making this place more than just a place to shitpost online - to actually be used to organise. It failed, partly because we were small and partly because we were too resistant. There were also onboarding efforts to allow us to grow to mitigate that first problem, but it ran into the second one, our resistance to change, and, well, here we are today. Is there anyone here who remembers those days? What a mess. Since then, a lot of original people who created and did the heavy lifting of maintaining this site, including creatively, left.
I remember enquiring sometime ago, maybe 2022, maybe 2023, about what happened to the writers who left Current Affairs. Have they found other jobs? Where are they working, publishing, podcasting? I wanted to support them. I didnāt figure it out. Some have now deleted their Twitter, others have privated their accounts. Maybe itās for the best.
Maybe things couldāve been different if we couldāve grown and changed and been the place for atleast left-adjacent people to come by the time Reddit exploded and people started to migrate to Lemmy. Who knows? Thatās a different world, and probably also a different post. But at least we could learn something from our mistakes. I am trying to from mine. ā
This went in directions I wasnāt expecting. I just typed out my thoughts as they came to me. You donāt really have to read it.
TLDR: āIām sorry, Nathanā and maybe dunking, without any thing else, is not good.
From the post I linked in the text:
Iām not saying heās Vijay Prasad. Thereās only so much I can expect from any western leftist, Hexbear included. But heās created a successful leftist magazine that some people tried to tear down and were thankfully unsuccessful. Learning about what went on has made me do some soul-searching and conclude a world with Current Affairs, and NJR writing what he writes, is better than one without, no matter our disagreements.
Also, weāre using DemSoc as a pejorative now too, huh? I remember when we used to split hairs, saying SucDem were acceptable to dunk on because they actually just wanted Nordic-style welfare states, but DemSocs were genuine socialists. I guess the circle of acceptable leftists must get ever smaller. The site canāt remain left unity forever. When will the anarchists (the few that remain) be culled?
Lmao, he said on the Current Affairs podcast that the left would be better off if Marx had never existed. Thatās how people got the idea that he had scant regard for Marx.
Reading this in a weepy Jordan Peterson Kermit voice. Itās a description of his position, not a pejorative jesus
Damn, he actually came up with a worse take than Chomskyās āThe fall of the USSR was the best thing to happen to socialismā.
What a time to be alive.
Westoids on here will still defend him because they never met a succ imperialist they didnāt like
If I had a time machine that could take me to a white room outside space and time which contained both baby Karl Marx and baby Hitler, I would shoot Marx twice, because without socialism Hitler wouldnāt have been able to commit genocide
With how much this guy has been straight-up lied about, and given his verbatim statements directly to the contrary, Iām not going to believe this unless someone posts his actual words, not a summary from someone who doesnāt like him.
There are plenty of posts from the time discussing it. Hereās someone purportedly quoting him verbatim.
But thereās also a lot of deleted posts. This was like 3-4 years ago. Believe what you want ig
A guy who writes 10,000 word articles every other day supposedly hates Marx, but no one has an article where he actually bashes Marx? Heās supposed to have said something on a podcast, but we donāt have the podcast to listen to, we just have years old tweets of people supposedly quoting one line from it, devoid of even basic context?
A bunch of people repeating smears they donāt actually know the basis of would look exactly like this. And we know thatās happened once to the guy already.
I remember this when it actually happened, so I find it quite easy to believe. But thereās enough link rot that itās hard to pinpoint where it was said and Iām not going to listen to every episode of the podcast from around that time just to prove it to you, no offense.
I also remember when āhe hates Marxā started circulating, and I remember tracking down an episode where he mentioned Marx and thinking āOh he thinks some leftists treat Marx a little dogmatically? Thatās all this is?ā
I donāt think it makes sense to rip on other leftists without receipts to back it up. If you think the only receipt is buried in some obscure corner of the internet 3-4 years back, maybe this is not an especially key part of the guyās thinking.
Perhaps youāre right about that. However I maintain that being skeptical of Jacobin style dudes who dress as dandies is reasonable as a default stance
Skepticism is reasonable, sure. I just think we have to be a little more careful about writing leftist figures off, because (1) we canāt get anywhere if we tear each other apart and (2) there are tons of bad actors who want to create and encourage leftist infighting.
when @[email protected] bans them for making cringe posts
The kind Vladimir Ilyich would have
shotbanned everyone hereāsocialism is when you agree with me and the more you agree with me the more socialister it isā
Hell yeah
We will boil Vijay Prashad soon as well inshallah