I prefer “list” view over grid view. Switching to grid view shows six videos before the break, but significantly less information about the video.
God, Youtube has gone to shit lately.
Lately in this context, meaning about the last 15 or so years.
They added sort from oldest back! wooooooo. One step forward after being launched backwards into a pile of shit.
They only removed it because it interfered with a new feature they added to the mobile app. If they removed it for monetary reasons (like what they did with dislikes), they wouldn’t have brought it back
I don’t give a cunt’s dick why they removed it in the first place, why are you defending anything about it
I’m not defending anything. I think you misunderstood my comment
uBlock Origin makes this easy:
Instructions Screenshot 1. Find a Shorts section on the page 
2. Select the element picker in uBlock Origin 
3. Select the Shorts section 
4. Click “Create” 
5. Enjoy 
You can also use the “zap” feature. Just use the lightning bolt icon to the left of the eyedropper and it’ll skip step 4. I also found this to work better because selecting shorts ended up always selecting the entire videos section as well.
This is just temporary, if you refresh the page it will show section again.
It was not temporary for me. I had to go into my settings and delete my changes to get it working again.
This is defined as temporary in uBlock documentation.
Reloading the web page will cause all removed elements to return.
Your link talks about the element zapper, the icon that looks like a lightning. The instructions above talk about the element picker, the icon that looks like an eye dropper.
You can also use the “zap” feature. Just use the lightning bolt icon to the left of the eyedropper and it’ll skip step 4. I also found this to work better because selecting shorts ended up always selecting the entire videos section as well.
Unfortunately zapping doesn’t work after refreshing
I would recommend clicking Preview before Create. You know what will be removed before creating a rule is better.
There are pre-made filterlists that deal with annoyances like this (which tend to end up more reliable as tools that randomize/minify CSS classes get widely adopted), not just on YT but the wider web as a whole. I’ve written about how to set them up here: https://blahaj.zone/@ShittyKopper/pages/usable-web if you want to take a look at it
This is a great resource, thank you very much!
OMG thank you ☺️
Some more filters for blocking Shorts from YT can be found here.
Wow cool feature!
I did this years ago when it was added to home, not seen shorts since. Good guide.
I can’t thank you enough.
Does this work consistenyl? I tried that with Pinterest’s login popup and it doen’t work (the element changes every time you enter the site). I ended up adding a filter to remove all Pinterest results from all my searches.
You can hide segments like that with ublock, fwiw. It’s been really useful to me for these kinds of changes every single website seems to be pushing these days.
I dont know where I have it from (I think somone on reddit posted it), but I use this in the uBlock Origin Filter since 8 month and it removes all my shorts from the subscription:
www.youtube.com##ytd-guide-renderer a.yt-simple-endpoint path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]:upward(ytd-guide-entry-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-mini-guide-renderer a.yt-simple-endpoint path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]:upward(ytd-mini-guide-entry-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse #dismissible ytd-rich-grid-slim-media[is-short]:upward(ytd-rich-section-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="home"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-rich-item-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-grid-video-renderer,ytd-rich-item-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-search .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-watch-next-secondary-results-renderer .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-compact-video-renderer,ytd-shelf-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-watch-next-secondary-results-renderer ytd-reel-shelf-renderer www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] ytd-video-renderer .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="channels"] #contents.ytd-reel-shelf-renderer:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="trending"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-search #contents ytd-reel-shelf-renderer m.youtube.com##ytm-reel-shelf-renderer m.youtube.com##ytm-pivot-bar-renderer div.pivot-shorts:upward(ytm-pivot-bar-item-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-browse ytm-item-section-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-browse ytm-item-section-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-compact-video-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-search ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-compact-video-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-single-column-watch-next-results-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer span:has-text(/^(0:\d\d|1:0\d)$/):upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer)It will sure break in a couple of month again. It did 8 Month ago and I am sure YT will change the code again at some point.
I do not trust having to many FF Extensions installed from some rando from the Internet, so I like this solution better.
I don’t mind shorts so much but Enhancer for Youtube has the ability to convert shorts to regular videos or hide them.
But the Videos are still only 1 Minute long. I find them a disgrace for my attention span. Before shorts/tiktok people were already arguing how deep a video of 10 Minute really can be and might be giving only a shallow idea of a topic. Going even further down to 1 Minute per topic is too much (less) for me. I prefer videos 20 Minutes+. Mostly 45-60 Minutes hit a decent spot for me to feel like I learned something about a topic. A couple of days ago I watched a 2-parts video of 6h and 5h (over several days) about the Russo-Japanese war. And even that was skimming over a lot of topics (obviously) but afterwards I felt like I understood something. I dont know how a 1 Minute short can transport anything other than just “a feeling of knowledge” - at this point it is basically just entertainment. I already felt 10 Minutes was snack-infotainment short. 1 Minute clips leave me behind like eating candy for dinner: Very unsatisfied. And maybe that is the reason people then click the next tiktok/short, because they actually do not feel satisfied by such a short clip and have the feeling for wanting more. And they satisfy this “more” by switching to another 1-Minute video. Again getting the feeling of more, yet getting less in the end of the day.
Any chance you can drop a link to 11 hours on the Russo-Japanese war? Didn’t even know that was a thing
Sure. Here you go: Part 1, Part2, (there even is a third part) - I strongly advice to watch it on 1.5x, as the speaker is very slow
I liked the very detailed day-by-day turns in the first part as well as the epic sea-fights in the second part. Also the small biography-slides with detailed vitaes of military personal gave a good idea in what time people lived and where they were going. Combined with an endless stream of original photos and drawings of the fights, it was a very dense documentation and gave a good image about war, russia, japan and the though-process of early 20th century military tactics.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=vqdBOxKq-L4
https://piped.video/watch?v=8StilK0RWW0
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Not even that comical story about the misadventures of the Russian Navy? Oh man, you’re really missing out!
Here are a couple of videos about it:
- <10-minute video by BlueJay (presented in a casual/funny/meme-y way)
- >40-minute video by Drachinifel (presented in a serious documentary kind of way)
If you’ve got 50 minutes to spare, it’s worth watching both.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=yzGqp3R4Mx4
https://piped.video/watch?v=9Mdi_Fh9_Ag
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
Hey bot, you missed the fact that there were two videos linked in that comment.
Can you share the videos about the war? They sound interesting.
True but also to be fair I have attention issues and can’t really sit too long for a whole video but they’re good for a lot of little critical role clips!
Then again I’m on like Tiktok all the time so I’m used to it :3
I think (if it is not a disorder) attention span can be trained. It takes discipline and a true interest into a topic other than just a vague excitement. If you are able to state what topics you are interested in for yourself, you might be able to concentrate on 10-30 Minutes of the same topic. People who are really into The Kardashians are able to watch a whole 50 Minute episode of them. So it is not the problem of concentration for them, it is more that they need something put in front of them for that they can feel a passion or enthusiasm they deeply care about - even it is just The Kardashians. Here is the thing: People have no problem browsing 2h+ of tiktok, but can not concentrate on 10x 20min video? I think if you have a real interest in something you can get through longer videos. Do you look for thing you really care about or do you actively looking for a distraction when you browse tiktok? It is not a bad thing to use it that way. After a long day of work, it can relax your brain browsing real shallow, short clips. But daily, in high doses… then I think it is maybe another reason people do it (escapism, etc.)
I dont know where I have it from
Maybe from here: https://letsblock.it/filters/youtube-shorts
I really think i got it from a Reddit comment, but it is good to know the source of it. Thank you.
path[d^=“M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33”]
Some of those rules are OK, but the
pathrules will be pretty flaky since they’re relying on a particular shape (like an icon or something) being present on the page.
Also with a browser extension. Wikihow has a page on how to do it 5 different ways.
yep, I use this on Firefox currently
Added and thank you!
I found youtube in particular to use very generic functionq that are used in other places so blocking something small ends up blocking other things, iirc from the long time ago that I wasn’t using piped, blocking youtube premium prompt broke comments or something along those lines
Sure, it depends on the coding of the site. Personally, I make sure to block the entire container where possible, and I haven’t run into too many issues like that.
only had the problem on youtube, I remember trying a lot of different elements to see how I could get around it
Also DeArrow extension is really good for removing the clickbait thumbnails and replaces them with a simple still from the video itself. It also removes Emojis and special characters from the titles.
Other essential extensions for YouTube for me are (1) sponsorblock and (2) enhancer for YouTube.
DeArrowing is the thing I didn’t know I needed. Thanks!
I will also recommend blocktube extension.
Anyone using Arc who needs a boost to block all YouTube bloat, let me know. I created one for myself but haven’t submitted it to the gallery. It hides shorts, suggested search results and some other crap.
I dunno when it happened but there was a time before clickbait and in-video ads. That was the good time.
The new slider replacement.
You can also hide these segments by just clicking the X in the top right corner. It’ll hide the shelf (I think that’s how YouTube calls them) for 30 days.
I use rehike personally, it has the old layout so shorts are barely shown
Youtube added shorts to subscription, and i added Youtube-shorts block to firefox.
Nice one
Same. They can try as much as they want to make it happen, but if people don’t want it, people don’t want it no matter how much they force them.
I hate this format of content so much. An automatically reloading, never ending stream of snippets that are hardly informative even if they try. Fucking looks like they are trying to hypnotize us.
Oh wait, they absolutely are. Stop thinking about not being able to afford a living even though you bust your ass of everyday. Stop worrying about the climate. Get a new iphone and obediently watch citizen.
Trying to hop on that ADHD train.
This is not a defense of TikTok style short form content. It’s just that from time to time, I do enjoy the shorter style videos. Like when I have 5 minutes to kill, watch a few short videos and be on my way.
What I really don’t like is that if you choose the app and the last thing you watched was a short, it opens right back up to to Shorts. Very annoying.
When I have 5 minutes to kill I open Wikipedia and read the article of the day.
Reading is better for your brain and attention span, and on top of that you learn something new.
I should do this more often. Thanks for the suggestion!
Yeah I occasionally use Instagram and look at reels. Sometimes it’s fun to catch the one snippet from a comedy sketch instead of watching the whole thing.
That said, I wouldn’t miss anything if I deleted it tomorrow.
Plus they commit the biggest sin possible in video…VERTICAL VIDEO. I hate this garbage trend of everything being designed for phones. Vertical videos suck. They are terrible to watch on desktop. You can rotate your phone sideways, you can’t rotate your TV, laptop, monitor, projector, etc. vertical (at least not most of the time).
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You can use the regular Youtube interface for shorts, I do it everytime I open one:
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go to a short video
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replace the
/shorts/part of the URL by/v/ -
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Profit
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It’s all intentional. They know that overall it increases engagement and that’s all they care about.
Even Instagram and Tiktok let people fast forward videos. YouTube needs to get their shit together.
The zombie clicker demographic is their best customer/product
I just hate how much functionality the Shorts player loses compared to the regular Youtube player. They seriously made their product worse to imitate a competitor? Who asked for this?
The shareholders.
I swear that these board of director types are some of the most dense and out of touch people on the planet. It’s crazy how we reward them for their stupidity in exchange for their unbridled greed.
I think the UX team is banking on user psychology. Majority of users don’t want functionality, they want familiarity. They should feel like they are watching Tiktok.
We should remember that we power users are a minority in social media.
Checkout the Youtube-shorts-block extension which gives shorts the same UI as normal youtube videos.
Basically what the extension does is replace the parts in the URL youtube.com/shorts/“video-id” to youtube.com/watch?v=“video-id”
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/shorts/
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
And funnily, the shorts player on mobile has some of those features.
Who asked for this?
Either Susan Wojcicki (ex-YT CEO), Neal Mohan (current YT-CEO) or Sundar Pichai (Google CEO)
I’m afraid it boils down to the significant amount of users, who asked or “asked” for this. Shorts is crazy popular.
Fuck YouTube shorts. It’s infuriating that YouTube doesn’t provide us an option to remove all traces of that fuckin cancer from the platform.
My biggest issue is so many of the people I sub that have shorts, the shorts are their normal videos but only a small clip of it. I dont want that, Im already watching the videos!
Agreed. Some of the YouTubers I watch have said that YouTube is forcing them to make shorts because their videos won’t be shown to people if they don’t. A couple are even doing a bit of malicious compliance and taking the piss out of YouTube Shorts because they hate it as much as we do.
If we wanted short clips, we’d be on TikTok damnit!
If we wanted short clips, we’d be on TikTok damnit!
Exactly. YouTube doesn’t want to lose out on that revenue/time spent on other platforms…
Press the X? Gotcha! I’ll remove shorts for 30 days or until you come back without cookies in 10 minutes.
I don’t mind YouTube shorts usually, although my TikTok feed is far better. But last week, my YouTube app started opening to the shorts tab. Infuriating. I’ll watch a short if it piques my interest, but that’s not what I’m going to YouTube for.
Just add this line to the “My Filters” section for the uBlock Origin extension.
- click the extension in your top bar
- click the “gears” icon/button
- click the “My Filters” tab and add this line :
www.youtube.com###content > .ytd-rich-section-renderer.style-scope
My original mastadon post has screenshots with red guide marks in case this is confusing:
There’s an even more extensive filter list for hiding shorts here: https://letsblock.it/filters/youtube-shorts
This is like going to the drug store to an inhaler but their entrance takes you through the perfume section to get to the pharmacy.
My local shoppers drug mart does this…
Ah, you’ve been to shoppers drug mart in Canada I see
I don’t get why everyone is so mad about this. When I saw it yesterday, I was glad they finally put them into a separate box I can just scroll past. Before, Shorts were just mixed in between the normal videos in the subscription feed and that was fucking awful.
And before that, they were in a separate section like they are now, but it had a thing you could click to hide that section entirely for 30 days.
Just because it’s less bad than the previous thing doesn’t mean it’s good.
YouTube shorts are awful. Most of them are just incomplete YouTube videos.
I don’t remember them ever in a separate section on the subscription page. Maybe it was just one of google’s A/B testing for some people or I just hid them immediately and forgot. :-)
Would be better if it was possible to hide it, like in home feed. I don’t want to see shorts in my subscription feed. It takes so much space.
I tested with ublock origin (firefox), removing the shorts section via adblock works.
I actually liked when they were together in single box, everything was ordered from newest to oldest and I had extension that redirected shorts to normal player. With separated boxes I feel like there isn’t enough space and now the shorts don’t get the ‘watched red bar’ so I don’t know right away which shorts I’ve already seen, I’m forced to remember the thumbnails now which is annoying.
I do wish they give customization options, so users can decide how to actually use youtube.
oh they moved it finally? i couldnt stand a feed full of annoying shorts making it harder to find actual videos i wanted to watch. i been using an extension for a while and cant go back to what it was then. if at least they are confined to a seperate list its not so bad
I guess your screen isn’t 1366x768
This 100%
Welcome to the worlds best anti-monopoly education. See just why monopolies suck in real time!
Monopolies are problematic, of course, but it’s more than that. Monopolies, especially in the luxury space, still have to compete with consumers making the choice to not consume at all.
It’s more nefarious than that. This is a symptom of “you are the product, not the paying customer”. You get absolutely no say in how to product is used, and worse, your experience will actively be harmed if it means the real client, advertisers, get more value extracted out of you.
Y’all just sheep walking happily into the slaughterhouse, thinking the farmer is here to feed and shelter you, and it’s just missfortune that the farmer has to put you in some dirty cages, when in fact, the farmer does this intentionally because it’s more profitable that way.
Having two factory farms (TikTok) doesn’t make the conditions for the animals better. In fact maybe it even makes it worse, as the farms compete to cut costs.
The real solution is a new buisness model. Organic farms… Or payed video platforms, where the solution provider builds the software for the user, not advertisers.
I think we’ve passed the point where any non-free service could compete with a free one. The short term gains of shoving ads in everyone’s face is in full force.
I do think in the future when these companies have burned through every ounce of investor money we’ll go back to paid services, but I think that’s a decade out or more. There already exists a few paid services similar to YouTube such as
diet quibiDropout, Nebula, and Floatplane (I think it’s premium), and I think those will serve as the models for future services.They’re all rather affordable and their models are setup for people that want to follow creators (nebula and Floatplane) or for people that want to follow specific shows (dropout). They don’t advertise to you, there are no sponsor spots, and they’re always working to improve their platforms for the user. Hell, in a recent episode on dropout, the CEO admitted that their player had issues that they wanted to fix completely unprompted.
Hopefully future services will model themselves in a similar way, of not an improved formula, but again I think it’s a long way out
Well then stop using the platform if you arent happy with it. Everyone else doesnt care
Anyone get an update on for their TV app this week?
Went from having reasonably-sized thumbnails, to these over-sized ones where only like 2.5 of them fit horizontally and less than 1.5 of them fit vertically. They are obnoxiously huge which means to see what videos are in your feed you have to do a ton of needless scrolling.
Just a week ago, it wasn’t like this - I think you could see 4 horizontally and 3 vertically before which is perfect for a living room experience.
My favorite part is that there is no way to make any adjustments. If you are going to change something like this, at least let me change it back. WTF?
You should use SmartTube Next. It’s like ReVanced but for TV.
We alkready pay for Premium, so what would be the benefit for us? And while we use YT on all our devices, obviously, we use YT a whole hell of a lot in the livingroom TV on my Shield TV.
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Can’t do that for Samsung and LG TVs.
My worst tech mistake was buying a Samsung TV.
It’s great TV tech, I’m just underwhelmed by Tizen and its app ecosystem - doesn’t have nearly enough options, some non-major apps are barebones compared to their Android counterparts, sees less support.
My only real alternative for good quality TV with Android was Sony, but they had dropped the ball at the time concerning Variable Refresh Rate support, and prices weren’t great either, so I decided against.
I can still use Android apps through a cable tv box that has them, but most of the time it isn’t worth the bother for me - easier to just switch on the TV and use its native system.
It is ridiculous! I’m sure it’ll do little good but I sent some feedback at https://www.youtube.com/tv/feedback
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/tv/feedback
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
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Yes and that is so fucking annoying. Whag a degen ui designers on yt
I fucking hate shorts so much. I completely blocked them:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-shorts-block/ https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-shorts-block/jiaopdjbehhjgokpphdfgmapkobbnmjp
It’s amazing how much YouTube doesn’t understand what people do and don’t like about TikTok
Watching every platform ruin itself to become a facsimile of every other platform is deeply infuriating and exhausting
Seriously. How do those out of touch corporate morons not understand that different things are good because they provide different things?
If I wanted TikTok shit I’d use TikTok. I use YouTube to watch videos, not TikTok shit.
BUT THE MARKET SHARE!!!
I honestly can’t figure out what anyone actually likes about tiktok. I installed it and after 30 minutes was annoyed with the autoplaying and having things just forced on me. I want to choose what to play. All the time, I hate anything anywhere that autoplays, and I don’t understand how anyone actually enjoys that. Its like being told that being poked in the eye with a needle was really popular.
It feeds an anxious brain’s desire for dopamine. Just “here’s a nonstop feed of easy to digest content.” I think it’s kinda predatory, tbh, and that’s not to get into anything else about the company
It’s sad having a front row seat to The Internet slowly killing itself.
the ad based internet, as it is today was never supposed to work as some people will always block ads meaning more ads pushed to regular users and thus more people using adblock until we hit the break-even point and the site is forced to shut down or do the enshitification thing
The thing is that video hosting is very expensive and only large companies like Google/YouTube can afford to do it at anywhere near their scale. You need multiple copies of every video all around the world to ensure they play well for users, with no buffering, and that much infra (servers, storage, high-quality bandwidth rather than just using Cogent everywhere, etc) costs a lot.
PeerTube exists (and has for a while). It’s a federated alternative to YouTube that uses torrents to share video, rather than centralizing it in one server.
The problem for creators is that they can’t make money off of PeerTube - thus there’s no incentive outside of making a Patreon.
The problem for creators is that they can’t make money off of PeerTube - thus there’s no incentive outside of making a Patreon.
Isn’t Youtube itself getting to that point too? The way lots of Youtubers complain about it and push their Patreons and alternative subscription streaming services (Curiosity Stream/Nebula/Floatplane/etc.), it sure seems that way.
You’re mostly right, expect video playback doesn’t need high quality bandwidth.
Video players usually keep a forward buffer of a few minutes of video, which means your connection can be extremely unstable and still provide smooth playback as long as your average bandwidth is sufficient.
Video players usually keep a forward buffer of a few minutes of video
You still need good bandwidth to ensure the video starts playing right away, plus enough bandwidth to be able to buffer ahead while lots of people are using the service at the same time. I’ve seen some video sites that need to buffer for a looooong time before the video starts playing.
A few minutes of video at 4K takes a noticeable amount of space, so I don’t think video sites would buffer that far ahead for 4K.
