The problem here is that the faculty is clearly 100% liberal
i think the people that voted “very liberal” aren’t liberal at all, they just weren’t given any other options
Eh most of the “very liberal” category is probably succdems. But yeah whatever Marxists and Anarchists work at Harvard if they are there probably had to answer very liberal due to lack of options.
The only professor I know who calls himself a Marxist at Harvard is this guy, Stephen Marglin. And he says it with a million qualifiers too, like that he’s a secular humanist first and Marxist second. He mostly does very particular economic work without much advocacy for Marxist praxis. And that’s what I expect most university academic leftists to be, they might call themselves Marxists or anarchists, but with qualifiers and they certainly won’t praise international socialist movements with a full throat. I can’t imagine there are many ivy league professors defending things like the cuban revolution or modern China.
The only three leftist professors I know about who are what we’d call leftists (not radlibs, or socdems, ultras, etc) have been Vijya Prashad, Michael Parenti, and Richard Wolff.
I don’t know if Walter Johnson (history prof) calls himself a Marxist, but I read his The Broken Heart of America and it’s hard to come to any conclusion other than he’s a Marxist but maybe doesn’t explicitly come out and say it. He goes out of his way to discuss various communists in history like Joseph Weydemeyer, who he calls the Zeppo to Marx and Engels’ Harpo and Groucho (he meant it in a positive way, since most Marxists probably aren’t even aware of Weydemeyer).
Try some social science professors, they have much stronger explicitly marxist tendencies than most professors, because they actually study exactly that kind of thing. I know a professor of higher education research who draws a lot on feminism and marxism in her work on class, social mobility, and education.
yeah i was just under the impression (from what i’ve seen) that many people who work in that field are very left wing/socialist
Have you been to American colleges? The “better” ones are crawling with radlibs
Pol Pot would never stand for this.
Exactly, just like most of
If you take someone with conservative values and you give them a quality education, they become a moderate. If you take someone with progressive values and give them an education they become
a socialistvery liberal. If you give someone with moderate values an education, they become an MBA. Education selects against conservatives because conservative politics come from ignorance and magical thinking.conservatives either become a moderate, a blood-drinking natsec psychopath, or trans
Are those the three genders Biden was talking about?
i think with conservatives it’s more the case that they learn how to say particular words to fit in better with certain lib crowds than necessarily become moderates. College teaches them how to sound like moderates.
they go from conservatives to bow-tie conservatives
A corollary to this is how Evangelical parents think college “brainwashes” their kids and turns them into atheists. The reality is, they spend 18 years feeding their kids magical bullshit about how evolution isn’t true, the earth is 6,000 years old, the OT is real history, and how the Bible is entirely free from error. Not to mention telling them all those scary LGBTQ people are all just evil sinners.
They spend 18 years building this little bubble of religious ideas around their kids - making sure their kids only associate with church kids, sending them to private Christian schools, etc. But since those ideas are such ridiculous horseshit, they don’t bear even the slightest scrutiny, and college is the first time for a lot of these kids that their beliefs face any scrutiny at all. True for notions of biblical historicity as much as actually meeting people of different religions, sexual orientations, etc, often for the first time in their lives in any meaningful sense. So they abandon their beliefs and often resent their religious parents for how they were raised.
Believes in an ideology which valorizes greed and selfishness
Complains when fellow believers in that ideology use their education to become fossil fuel execs, Supreme Court justices, and hedge fund managers instead of doing a teaching job which requires more effort and pays way less.
Aldo “belongs to political party that constantly says colleges are communist indoctrination camps, shocked that more people with that belief don’t work there”
I love how it’s in a circle to implicitly deny anything exists outside of liberalism
I lol’d so hard at, “very liberal”
In
we have the freedom to be liberal or very liberal“I don’t agree with the cannibal child molester puppy kickers, but I will defend their right to free speech with my life.”
Hello fellow very liberals
What a shitty chart, why did they only give respondents one answer to choose between?
^Engels wrote these words in 1892
All political thought in the US can only be on the spectrum of liberal to conservative. Liberal is used in such a broad way here though.
That’s how you get chuds calling Biden and Harris “communists”. When you can only think in terms of liberal and conservative, then communism can only be “extreme liberalism”.
The college thing always feels like such sour grapes. Conservatives have Bob Jones University, Georgetown, Bringham Young, and a whole billion dollar industry of weird little fundamentalist schools that build replicas of Noah’s Ark. Yet they still want the clout of all the liberal schools. These conservatives places don’t have the reputation of Harvard and Yale because their faculty is full of weird cranks. And I’m gonna guess they get fewer international students because they probably have very racist admission policies (how you can get more racist than Harvard/Yale is impressive).
I have no idea, but my gut says that conservatives who become academics either: 1) complete and utter cranks like Murray Rothbard who only got into academics to be annoying to people or 2) complete and utter cranks with sincere creationism beliefs who want to spread their particular weird evangelism
Also Harvard is a school for libs to convince them working at the CIA is actually a humanitarian project. It’s like a soothing balm to wealthy liberals feel better about themselves. Conservatives don’t need that, they already don’t give a shit and don’t need cognitive dissonance. They’re already convinced imperialism is good.
The most conservative professors I had in college always worked at the engineering department too, so that could explain why Harvard’s so full of libs. The chuds all work at colleges that teach oil drilling science
And I’m gonna guess they get fewer international students because they probably have very racist admission policies (how you can get more racist than Harvard/Yale is impressive).
A friend of mine was just telling me about one of her friends got a scholarship to Bringham Young. He was from an extraordinarily rich family in Taiwan and during his interview the BY interviewer kept talking about how the dude must have had such a hard time growing up in poverty. He thought the interviewer had the wrong person’s file and when he tried to clarify the interviewer told him that Taiwan is a very poor place so whatever he thinks of as “wealthy” isn’t really rich.
you’re telling me Mormons are confused about geography
I’ve been to Taiwan and they have high speed rail the likes of which I’ve never seen here in the US. Once we rode it from Keelung to Hualien, and I only managed to read like two chapters of Dune before we arrived at our destination 101 miles (163 km) away. My mother in law needed some low-stakes medical procedure, so she just took the bus 5 minutes down the road to the hospital, got it done after waiting like 10 minutes, and was back for dinner. It was the nicest hospital I’ve ever been in, and I grew up in one of the biggest cities in America. I was there for a month, most of that spent wandering around Keelung on foot, and only saw one unhoused person. And I don’t just mean I went to the night markets, I got all up in that resplendent urban density, to the point of accidental trespassing.
Even though most people I met worked horrible long hours, the built environment was leagues more person-friendly than the miserable asphalt and stucco wastelands back home. Even for being, yknow, Taiwan, with all the history that entails, I don’t think I ever saw a cop outside the police station, and none of them carried guns. It is insane how much of a hostile shithole America actually is compared to even Small Reactionary China.
Oh, and they have giant buff snails that put ours to shame. Sometimes you and the snail pass one another on the sidewalk.
also it’s worth travelling to america so you can say you studied at harvard.
Yeah imagine being a rich kid from Singapore coming back to tell your peers you studied at Joel Osteen University of Creation Science or something
Because reality is left so academia (when allowed) skews left. But obviously, our masters can’t have leftists in a capitalist country gain any power, so they settle for liberalism, which is still capitalism and therefore right wing, but not so right-wing that you consider flat Earth theory valid.
I remember from Noam Chomsky’s Manufacturing consent is that the media may seem more sympathetic to us because it’s as left-leaning as you’re allowed to be. And even then, anything to the left of whatever slop is posted on /pol/ is considered blasphemy. Go ahead, go try to debunk the Bell Curve or say that anarcho-capitalism is not a flawless ideology. Folks will be shocked that anyone dares to question such sacrosanct beliefs.
Yeah well put.
federal legislation that requires diversity of thought among faculty members
I mean unironically that would be a step in the right direction because apparently right now 100% of faculty are apparently liberals
Diversity of thought would mean that half would be liberals and another half conservatives.
Conservatives are liberals
And liberals are conservatives as they want only to preserve the status quo.
Completely ignoring the fact that this graph is 0% leftist and therefore very biased towards the very system this person worships
Anytime I see a conservative complain about college professors, I just know they have never stepped in a classroom. Like half of my (outside of the humanities) professors were basic Mitt Romney tier conservatives. Most of the “liberals” would give their lives for a conservative. Unless the professor was LGBT+ or an open ally, they never expressed anything close to a left idea.
My college let people put up fake “abortion” pics and go around with loud speakers bitching about (derogatory sexist terms here). A professor finally got ousted by posting racism on twitter, a bunch of his students and assistants complained about being weird about race, sex, etc, and he got canned. He got his spot back after a year because of tenure. Dude literally compared the nword to people calling Trump orange in class, but hey conservatives are the most oppressed. Economics and history depts were typical conservative/liberal shit. Ironically, the comp sci dept was ok, but the new head was an older tech bro who complained about women not wanting to join their dept. The best teacher they (the CS Dept) had was openly gay, he was pretty cool but strict, and he finally left for an ivy league last I heard. Him and 2 other professors were holding that place together. I bet they’re going to tank everything because they won’t stand up to conservatives in FL.
TLDR: Academia in America is as a rule extremely conservative.
What a bizarre way to organize the chart. It’s not by size, or how conservative or liberal people reported. Is there a reason they’d arrange the sections like this?
it’s in alphabetical order clockwise
Ooh, thank you.
That honestly seems like a poor way to present the data. :/
skill issue
Also, I hate “diversity of thought” as a talking point. Conservatives often say they prefer “diversity of thought” over diversity, but is a group of cis white straight dudes really going to have that wide a variety of opinions about gender than your polycule or whatever? Oddly, having people from a wide variety of backgrounds increases diversity of thought.
They only want “diversity of thought” when they think it’ll result in more of their thought being promoted. None of them wants “diversity of thought” in business or finance.
Yeah, I know. I despair at the rubes that actually fall for it (who presumably do exist and are very annoying to talk to)
looks like 100% conservative to me
