With fighting raging around Khan Younis and in the north of Gaza, a video has emerged on social media showing dozens of Palestinian men detained by Israel.

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    Civilians, most likely. Why, are you okay with treating ANY human being like this?

    But of course the IDF won’t say who they are or why they are holding them in this position that with all honestly invokes images similar to the holocaust or some other fucked up human tragedy.

    Edit: I think your comment is quite shameful. It is an attempt at excusing Israel’s humiliating treatment of Palestinians. If you read the article, these people were arrested for simply being men and for being in the North of Gaza… And yeah, you’ll probably think anyone in the north deserves to die after Israel told people to evacuate… Even though it bombed them in the North and South and in their homes and shops and streets and everywhere they go. Fuck Israel. Zionism is facism. This is facism. And supporting it is supporting a Hiterly figure who dehumanized Palestinians like Hitler dehumanized Jews. When I see someone see these images and still excuse the crimes of Israel, it makes me hate living in this world.

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      What makes you assume they are civilians, and shouldn’t this be verified? That’s the nature of war; It seems provoking one wasn’t the best idea. Strip searching them and arresting them is pretty humane considering the alternatives.

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        For starters one of them was a journalist and he is still detained.

        Edit: I think you’re turning a blind eye to this. Look at the pictures again. Would a “democracy” do this? Or does it look more like something from a chapter in a history book?

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            It should be stripped of this self-acclaimed title.

            It’s an illegitimate apartheid state

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              You know that a “democracy” doesn’t mean “a good country”, right? Democracies can do war crimes just as well as dictatorships. It’s irrelevant.

              Edit: typo

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                Yeah, you’re right… Israel is a shitty democracy.

                Edit: at a second thought, are you really a democracy if you run an apartheid system?

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                  The word democracy doesn’t mean good.

                  Also Russia is a democracy and so is China. They said they are so they must be.

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        They’re torturing and interrogating them. That’s literally the story here.

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            Translation: “OH this inhumane treatment of Palestinians, noooooo, that’s just the special Israeli strip search technique! You strip them, you beat them, you make them do 5 minutes of montage, you take them to the desert, blindfolded, naked, humiliated, like a photo from a history book, and then you make then kneel for 3 hours. Meanwhile they have no idea where their wives or children are, and vice versa. They don’t even know what location we brought them TO. AND THAT IS THE GREAT AND AMAZING ISRAELI STRIP SEARCH TECHNIQUE. How dare you call this torture? They were KHAMAS suspects!!”

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            It’s dehumanizing behavior, it’s literally in the Holocaust museum described as such.

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            Every time I see your comments I just imagine Hitler trying to brush the holocaust under a rug.

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              Then work on your reading comprehension, because this is nothing like the Nazis, despite your ilk’s constant attempts at making that false equivalency.

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                  I thought Never Again included everyone, but I don’t know. You’ll have to ask the people who use that phrase.

                  Either way, this is not comparable. No one is trying to eradicate Palestinian Arabs.

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                    Then why do we have mounting evidence that Israel is trying to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing? I think if you deny the mounting evidence, you must be pretty deluded.

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      No, they’re not civilians, they’re Hamas members came out of tonnels Northern Gaza when IDF have started to flood them with sea water

      And how else is IDF supposed to make sure that they don’t have any weapons?

      And it’s not even comparable, stop equating things with holocaust, it’s really disrespectful

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        Do you have a source or is all this bullshit pouring out of your ass?

        What’s disrespectful to the holocaust IS TO FUCKING REPEAT IT AND CLAIM THE HIGH MORAL GROUND.

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          No point arguing with him, he seems much like an pro-Zionist and will claim anything without source - to “prove” his point.

          Recommend just block such people, not worth the energy and time.

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            Even the article he/she linked in response to this says two opposite things: they “surrendered” and that they “were being checked”.

            Those men in that picture will need therapy, a lot of it, to overcome this crap… If they even make it out alive.

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            Maybe you missed the memo, but no one believes the IDF anymore and neither should they believe a bunch of people sitting on a pile of skulls that used to be journalists and UN workers.

            But yeah I couldn’t give two shits about whether or not you like how I speak. Everyone can see through you.

            Edit: do you REALLY think you need to blindfold people, strip them to their underwear, and make them sit somewhere in a line on their knees in a humiliating fashion, out in the open to investigate their activity?

            This isn’t even new. We know Israel tortures people in prison. We know they have been stripping lots of people being detained WITHOUT A FUCKING CHARGE.

            Is this a regime you are proud to defend? Seriously

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            The IDF: they surrendered

            Also the IDF:

            The IDF ordered women in the area to go to a nearby hospital and later threated to shoot them if the men did not come out of their homes, he said.

            One war crime after the next after the next after the next…

            The IDF (again): but they are just KHAMAS fighters!

            But also the IDF:

            The Arabic language news outlet, which also publishes in English under the name the New Arab, said Mr al-Kahlout had been arrested along with his brothers, relatives and “other civilians” by Israeli forces in Beit Lahia.

            Fuck the IDF and all their actions from the bottom of my fucking heart.

            This story today almost had me collapse, I don’t know what made me not pick up that coffee mug and slam it across the floor. How can anyone allow such sad footage to remain the current reality? How could anyone defend this dehumanization of Palestinian men who have spent the last month mourning their dead or trying to pry them from under rubble, with no food and no clean water? How did Israel get us this fucking far and deep into human rights violations?

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          Hamas threw the first punch then ran to hide in the shadows.

          How else can you retaliate without blowing up everything casting a shadow?

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            By retaliating in a manner that doesn’t involve blowing up everything that casts a shadow

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            I feel like trying to define a ‘firat punch’ in the shit show that has been palestinian-israeli relations is a fruitless task.

            Surely a more productive avenue would be to seek common ground, shared humanity and a practical way forward among the moderates on both sides.

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              It’s a very easy task for someone who wants to start the clock at a point that makes Israel look like the victim.

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              The first punch was dealt by israel. There is no question about this.

              It’s as like saying "man I wonder who started that Apartheid shit in South Africa. Maybe the black people did it to themselves!

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                I feel like “there is no question about this.” as a statement is just not true. there is definitely some debate about it.

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                  The same debate you can hold for the South Africans. Or any other colony.

                  People stole their land, then they got mad and retaliated. Then you can start the funny chain.

                  The original sin remains the creation of the apartheids state of israel on another people’s land.

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        And it’s not even comparable, stop equating things with holocaust, it’s really disrespectful

        Just FYI, holocaust denial began during the holocaust. The denial of this genocide of Palestinians is also happening during. Do you know how many Germans couldn’t get themselves to believe the atrocities committed by their government? Do you want to repeat the same today?

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          Bold of you to assume any of these propel complaining read anything beyond the title.