America is genocidal, sure, but so is every single other society in the history of civilization. America is exceptional because of the technology and the art it contributed to genocide, which is the goal of every civiliztion, remember. Pointing out the difference in scale of US atrocities just prevents us working together for greater justice.

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    Like I said, collapsing historical continuity past the point of logical coherence

    Also blatantly ignoring the fact Chinese and Indian civilization were not built on the basis of those wars and the fact the states that prosecuted those wars no longer exist

    The US state on the otherhand maintains a legal and poltical continuity all the way back to 1776 and continues to inflict atrocities based on the sociopolitical economic logic of its founding

    Also I love how you obviously just googled random wars from Indian and Chinese history as if that means something, kid log off and go do your homework

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      And you seem perfectly willing to completely disregard those wars, oppression, and tyranny because it doesn’t service the narrative that… what? That no country has ever been as horrible as the United States? Really?

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        How should one regard a 400 year old war perpetrated by a state that no longer exists for a poltical tradition no one alive follows?

        The only reason you bring up this irrelevant nonsense is because you want to trivialize and downplay the very recent and extremely relevant crimes of the US empire which currently dominates the world

        It’s such a childish and disingenuous argument, but hey I don’t expect honesty or historical literacy from brain dead fascists

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          Well, perhaps I’ve lost the thread.

          Convince me.

          Please restate your specific claim? It can’t be simply that you are the superior scholar, right? So go ahead — state it?

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              Ahh… ye old ad hominem… middle school indeed.

              Is this sub a place where people go to insult folks who ask for specific claims, reasons, and evidence? I’ve never visited before.

              I thought we were examining power and oppression and all I’m seeing is adolescent name calling?

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                You misunderstand, when someone keeps flailing long after they make it clear they have nothing useful to say, there’s not much of a “debate” worth having with them.

                Ad hom is if I said “you are stupid, therefore your argument is wrong”. Like all genuine fallacies, it is an incorrect inference. I am not making this claim, I am simply saying “you are stupid”. Your arguments are paper-thin (like your accusation of me doing an ad hom), so those can be addressed as needed, but my goal there was simply to inform you that you’re a moron.

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                folks who ask for specific claims, reasons, and evidence?

                Is this how you see your contributions to this thread? You’re a person coming in here “ask[ing] for specific claims, reasons, and evidence”?

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                  Well, if the purpose of the dunk tank is to be anything more than a bunch of alt-reality neck beards complimenting each other on their fragrance, claims, reasons, and evidence might actually come up at some point? Imagine – I come to conversation with questions. That actually might be part of the definition of discourse. Of course the dunk tank isn’t discourse; it’s a dating website. You folks are so happy with one another.