Their site went live today: https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck
3 models, with the tl;dr:
- RWD at $60,990 w/ 250mi range
- AWD at $79,990 w/ 340mi range
- “Cyberbeast” at $99,990 w/ 320mi range
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You didn’t place the mandatory /s at the end. /s
All of that range and it still can’t do truck things.
Not necessarily. It’s towing capacity (11000lbs) exceeds the Ford Lightning (10000lb). It’s able to push out 11.5kW of 240V power vs the Lightning’s 9.2kW. The Lightning’s payload capacity (2235lbs) is lower than the Cybertruck’s (2500lbs). And the Lightning doesn’t have a comparable AWD build with similar range anywhere close to $70k because the Platinum is around $90k (and you also go down to 8500lbs towing capacity…)
The R1T is a bit worse with 1764lbs payload, though they match the towing capacity of 11000lbs. Unfortunately it’s like $10k more expensive.
Not what I meant - the truck is bed relatively small (especially compared to some ICE trucks. Also, good luck accessing things near the cab in the bed without having to actually get into it), and it apparently can’t go up mild inclines as we saw in that video vs the lightning. Towing isn’t the only thing a truck should do (although that is one thing).
Besides not being a real truck capable of offroading though, they went from 500+ miles @ $70,000 at announcement to less than 350 miles @ $100,000. That’s insane, and not what Tesla promised customers that preordered.
Sure, when comparing it to ICE pickups it’s definitely going to come up short, but I’m not comparing it to ICE pickups.
Since you bring up bed size, I got curious and it’s still not bad compared to other EV pickups.
Cybertruck: 72"x48" (assuming their claim of a “6’ by 4’” bed is actual numbers and not rounding them off) Lightning: 67.1" x 50.6" R1T: 54’’ x 50"
As far as the video, it’s hilarious that it performed so poorly. I’m waiting on a neutral reviewer to drive it versus basing my opinion on a viral video though. If it ends up being as bad as that video, then they would have successfully made the most useless truck for tasks involving anything more intensive than grabbing groceries.
It’s basically the same bed for any double cab configuration on ice trucks. The lightning and cybertruck are only available in these double cabs though.
If an EV falls in the woods and no one is there to buy it, does it make a sound?
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I don’t really see myself buying a pickup, much less an EV pickup, but it will be interesting to see other EV pickup makers do in response to the range extender. Supposedly, the range extender increases the AWD range to 470mi and RWD to 440mi.
I know a few people who are skeptical of EV pickup trucks because towing absolutely kills the range on EVs right now. I’d imagine an extra battery pack would make the towing range a lot more bearable.
Let’s say the range gets cut by half when towing. If the range extending battery actually lives up to it’s claim, that’d be 235mi range total 0-100%, or 141 miles from 20-80%. Stopping every 141 miles would be a LOT better than stopping every 80-90 for a charge.
I am looking forward to Ford and Rivian possibly building something similar with their trucks to help get rid of the towing argument.
Drew Baglino a Tesla exec said its a toolbox sized battery that goes against the back of the truck bed.
If this can be rented that would be amazing.
People don’t need that extra range for the majority of their day to day use. Being able to rent it for 2 weeks when you take the camping trailer or boat on an extended trip would be amazing.
Hopefully it also charges at the 250kw max rate.
I don’t think the towing argument is going away without a significant leap in battery technology.
I don’t think it’s going away either, but the option of a lot more range would make regional trips a bit more practical.
The extender is $16k and only gets you 130 extra miles. $123 per mile. This seems absolutely not worth the cost, and if you’re towing it’s probably only adding 60 more miles. It seems much more like a gimmick that nobody’s going to buy than a useful tool.
So about the price of a civic type r here in Malaysia. Fml.
How the f does the AWD version with multiple motors get an extra 100 miles of range? Typically, it’s the other way around.
They add more batteries?
But that means they already have quite a bit more space for more batteries that isn’t being utilized for anything on the lower range models, which seems like a huge waste. If they can power more motors and get 100 miles of additional range in the same vehicle, they’re really leaving a lot on the table.
They need to make a cheaper version for people, hence the rwd as well.
You don’t just magically fill the whole battery pack for free
They have dummy cells in other Teslas as well, or have in the past anyway
All three have the same pack size.
I saw that mentioned on a few reviews, but it can’t be right. I think there’s been some misinterpretation
There’s no way adding a 2nd motor and awd adds that much range. It could add some with some fancy tricks, but 90 miles is unbelievable.
Teslas own page says it’s the same. There’s zero chance the AWD gets better efficiency than rwd, so they’re either locking capacity which is scummy or they’re bsing customers about range numbers still.
Or you know, it’s a mistake?
Also teala did something on one of the early cars where it got a boost with awd because they were able to do something fancy with it. (Edit: I think that was when the front and rear motors were the same, but now ones induction and ones permemant magnet, or something is different with them anyway)
And the semi gets better range because they can detach one motor or something which let’s them get the power to pull from a stop, but then not waste it at high speeds. Just using one motor to do both things would be more inefficient.
Edit: it’d be a terrible design if true, but maybe a single motor can’t properly move the truck because it’s so heavy and it is a massive drain. Again I think the difference is way too high, so it’s not that, but just another reason why it might be more efficient with 2 than 1 vs being entirely out of the question had it been a smaller amount.
The fact you brought up the semi sort of shows you aren’t being serious about this.
You’re the one being stubborn and not acknowledging that it’s possible, even if not on this vehicle.
Again, I think something changed and they took some different trade offs (edit: different front/rear motor type bringing cost down I think) making this not the case anymore, but it was a thing.
Edit: And the part below about real world driving is irrelevant, those were EPA tested numbers, and the EPA test is very specific. Go outside the bounds of the test and things obviously change.
Edit: Also your best argument is to attack my argument in a non related way to dismiss my claim which is almost definitely a logical fallacy and shows YOU aren’t the one taking this seriously.
The wheels are geared towards different optimal speeds. So one set is more efficient at slow speeds and the other more efficient at high speeds. So it relies on one or the other depending on driving conditions meaning it’s more efficient at different speeds. Single wheel drive EVs have to have a more one size fits all gearing that is less efficient overall.
This is the case with their other cars too. With the 3/Y they use a higher capacity battery pack in AWD models vs. RWD. Maybe that’s what is going on here?
For the 3/y they even use different batteries. The LFP batteries in the standard range are less energy-dense but more forgiving of many charges
Weird I guess they don’t mind sacrificing range even though they apparently have the space available for more batteries. I’ve primarily been eyeballing Hyundai EVs and they seemingly just use a single size pack and range suffers with more motors/drive wheels.
I have an Ioniq 5 limited awd and the range is great. I don’t know what people are doing that they need 300+ miles of range every day, but it charges in minutes, overnight with a 120, and I haven’t once felt any range anxiety.
A long commute is why I need the range. I could deplete the AWD range in just a couple of days, and I don’t really need AWD to begin with.
but how long is your commute? If I was to commute into my office it’d be around 42-50 miles round trip depending on which way I go. I’d plug in when I get home, and I’d literally never need to stop at a charging station. If I needed to travel more, I could simply charge while working at the office (plenty of L2 chargers in downtown denver parking garages). I think you’d have to have a round trip commute of over a hundred miles for it to be a problem, even then, you’d visit the charging station, sit there for 10 minutes, maybe less, and be ready to go for the next week.
It is over a hundred miles round trip and the times of day and my shift length aren’t really conducive to popping into a public charging station in either direction. Home charging is an option, but regardless I don’t want <300 miles of range nor a less efficient AWD drive train if I’m paying full price for a brand new vehicle.
The 260-mile range of the Limited AWD will mean if I don’t start my week at 100% or miss a charge after any one day of commuting, I run the risk of not being able to make it back home the next day especially after a few years of usage on the battery and accounting for running the AC or heater in cold weather. I’m not going to spend $60k to put myself into that position. 300 miles of range is really the bare minimum I’d be comfortable with.
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At least I can get my $100 deposit back. $20k more for the RWD model puts it out of my price range and I just bought a Model 3 anyway.
