There’s not a lot else I can do to learn more but discuss it.
or rather, maybe read and consider the words people are writing before writing a defensive reply. some of the replies from trans users you’re getting are from people who have played 50 hours of sports in the last month much less their whole life.
And yet, I have gained a deeper understanding by discussing it in this thread than I would have if I just watched from the sideline. People wouldn’t have even been replying in the first place to talk about these issues if I hadn’t have said anything in the first place.
If anyone wants to speak to their experience of being a trans player in sports, I wish they would, but for the large population of trans people on the site, I rarely see anyone speaking from personal anecdote when it comes to sports. Much less so sports at a high level. I’ve had people speak of their experience at school, and growing up, and so on, but not of any actual sports experience.
you’re talking about ridiculous edge cases. what examples do you want? Somebody who got all the “coaching and pay” of elite male athletes (like, what, Lebron James or something?) transitions and joins the WNBA? Someone who played football in Texas in high school and got all of those “advantages” in coaching and facilities and whatnot taking over at the backgammon tables? Like I’m genuinely confused because you’re conflating multiple issues non-intersectionally and then trying to work backwards to confirm your squicky feelings about the topic. There are plenty of anecdotes out there for you to find and any science done so far has only confirmed that trans women aren’t destroying athletics and that’s beyond the fact that we’re a fraction of a fraction of the population making our presence in elite sports even more of a statistical outlier than it is for the general population.
that you’re so open to immutable socialization rhetoric is also concerning. that’s a classic terf entry point because it SEEMS so reasonable to the western debate pervert.
Like, no offense but you’re imagining these big name players because you don’t know the ins and outs of the sports industry.
What the fuck are you talking about? This is just annoying because I am in fact interested in sports and do follow them closely in a number of circumstances. You’ve clearly made up your mind on the subject using a web of interconnected and unrelated concepts about womens’ sports funding to include your squeamishness about trans women. You’re no comrade of mine and I long for the days when you’d already be long gone from this site.
someone’s who’s played American football at a high collegiate level and then transitioned would have years of game experience at a far higher game standard. Schools put a stupid amount of money and scholarships into their American football squads. It’s not just game experience either, it’s a game being played at a much faster speed, against bigger players, with longer kicks and passes. Then you move to the women’s game. You don’t retain your physical advantages, but you do retain all of that.
edit: like i don’t know why i’m wasting my time but the above is a complete non sequitur. First of all, somebody transitioning after playing at the NCAA level in American football is perhaps the least likely transitioner in the US, just glossing over the social dynamics completely. Second, there is no major professional American football league for cis women in the US. Third, most of what that person gained physically would be lost with HRT outside of cardiovascular health provided they kept up their regimen. The training would still be there, sure, but that’s not doing anything in a game of fucking pool.
Yeah there’s stuff to be said about underfunding of womens’ sports in general and that deserves its own conversation. But. In the youth sports that we’re talking about (going off your key socialization argument) there is more difference between the men’s high school football team’s funding and the men’s any-other-sport than there is men’s any-other-sport to women’s any-other-sport.
You’ve built a universally applicable fear off of society’s failures towards women generally and implicated trans women as specifically dangerous because of those dynamics. That’s fucked.
I mean, I’m not here to say I didn’t have bad takes, but I will say I talked about like 5 different sports and of them all American Football is the one I know comparatively least about. I only picked it out because it’s a majority American site.
And yet, I have gained a deeper understanding by discussing it in this thread than I would have if I just watched from the sideline.
bro half your comments have been removed by the mods or yourself for transphobia. jesus christ.
if the only way you can learn about the plight of the marginalized is to rile a bunch of us up, maybe just don’t. and maybe consider that a lot of us don’t talk about sports in non-queer spaces because it tends to bring a bunch of replies like yours here, and that’s unpleasant. hell in my fucking queer rec leagues I’ve had to wade through it.
or rather, maybe read and consider the words people are writing before writing a defensive reply. some of the replies from trans users you’re getting are from people who have played 50 hours of sports in the last month much less their whole life.
And yet, I have gained a deeper understanding by discussing it in this thread than I would have if I just watched from the sideline. People wouldn’t have even been replying in the first place to talk about these issues if I hadn’t have said anything in the first place.
If anyone wants to speak to their experience of being a trans player in sports, I wish they would, but for the large population of trans people on the site, I rarely see anyone speaking from personal anecdote when it comes to sports. Much less so sports at a high level. I’ve had people speak of their experience at school, and growing up, and so on, but not of any actual sports experience.
you’re talking about ridiculous edge cases. what examples do you want? Somebody who got all the “coaching and pay” of elite male athletes (like, what, Lebron James or something?) transitions and joins the WNBA? Someone who played football in Texas in high school and got all of those “advantages” in coaching and facilities and whatnot taking over at the backgammon tables? Like I’m genuinely confused because you’re conflating multiple issues non-intersectionally and then trying to work backwards to confirm your squicky feelings about the topic. There are plenty of anecdotes out there for you to find and any science done so far has only confirmed that trans women aren’t destroying athletics and that’s beyond the fact that we’re a fraction of a fraction of the population making our presence in elite sports even more of a statistical outlier than it is for the general population.
that you’re so open to immutable socialization rhetoric is also concerning. that’s a classic terf entry point because it SEEMS so reasonable to the western debate pervert.
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What the fuck are you talking about? This is just annoying because I am in fact interested in sports and do follow them closely in a number of circumstances. You’ve clearly made up your mind on the subject using a web of interconnected and unrelated concepts about womens’ sports funding to include your squeamishness about trans women. You’re no comrade of mine and I long for the days when you’d already be long gone from this site.
edit: like i don’t know why i’m wasting my time but the above is a complete non sequitur. First of all, somebody transitioning after playing at the NCAA level in American football is perhaps the least likely transitioner in the US, just glossing over the social dynamics completely. Second, there is no major professional American football league for cis women in the US. Third, most of what that person gained physically would be lost with HRT outside of cardiovascular health provided they kept up their regimen. The training would still be there, sure, but that’s not doing anything in a game of fucking pool.
Yeah there’s stuff to be said about underfunding of womens’ sports in general and that deserves its own conversation. But. In the youth sports that we’re talking about (going off your key socialization argument) there is more difference between the men’s high school football team’s funding and the men’s any-other-sport than there is men’s any-other-sport to women’s any-other-sport.
You’ve built a universally applicable fear off of society’s failures towards women generally and implicated trans women as specifically dangerous because of those dynamics. That’s fucked.
Hear fucking hear
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Are you capable of saying anything on this subject without assuming you know our experiences better than we do?
lmao you the sports knower used american football as an example? jfc
I mean, I’m not here to say I didn’t have bad takes, but I will say I talked about like 5 different sports and of them all American Football is the one I know comparatively least about. I only picked it out because it’s a majority American site.
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bro half your comments have been removed by the mods or yourself for transphobia. jesus christ.
if the only way you can learn about the plight of the marginalized is to rile a bunch of us up, maybe just don’t. and maybe consider that a lot of us don’t talk about sports in non-queer spaces because it tends to bring a bunch of replies like yours here, and that’s unpleasant. hell in my fucking queer rec leagues I’ve had to wade through it.