• ParsnipWitch@feddit.de
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    1 year ago

    Don’t put words in my mouth, please. I don’t have a “thirst for revenge” or am saying people in Gaza “need to die”!

    It’s you who wants Jewish civilians to just be murdered and kidnapped and Hamas get applauded for it. (Feels bad, right?)

    In their enthusiastic zeal to defend Palestine people are incredibly apologetic towards Hamas and similar groups. And seem all to happy to forget the kind of politics Palestine puts on display. And that for several decades now.

    I wish people would think more long-term and realistic instead of screaming at each other who is the bigger protector of the oppressed. It’s seems shallow to be honest, and not really in favour of a better situation.

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      1 year ago

      Why is it so hard to agree that killing civilizations is bad and nobody should do it. Why does pointing out the Gazan civilians are dying have to be conditioned on anything else?

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          1 year ago

          You never say the words explicitly…

          You simply say ‘what else should Israel do’.

          Your posting history never is about saving civilians.

          Notice how you didn’t agree with my last post that ‘killing civilians is bad and no one should do it’. Do you agree with that?

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            1 year ago

            Of course I do. When you are digging through my post history you should have seen that I said that multiple times already.

            When I look through your post history, though, I don’t see a shred of sympathy for Israelis. Just apologies for the atrocities Palestine is committing. Are these people not responsible for their own doing?

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              Your conflating the people of Palestine and Hamas. That’s like balming Jews globally for the actions of the IDF.

              Palestine is not committing atrocities, Hamas is. Most Palestinians don’t live in Gaza, so the majority of Palestinians don’t support Hamas.

              Even in your last comment your assigning collective responsibility for individual actions. That’s an implicit endorsement of collective punishment.

              We’re all humans, should we be killing random humans for the actions of Hamas?

              For what it’s worth, I’m very sympathetic to the Israeli civilians who’ve been killed. It’s a terrible experience they went through. I don’t wish that on anybody.

              I did not however, have solidarity with the Israeli government policies, which created a situation where violence is inevitable

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                1 year ago

                You still didn’t answer the question and avoiding it. Seems almost like you don’t condemn the violence and attacks towards Israel and Israelis and think they deserve it.

                The majority of Palestinians in Palestine and other countries celebrate the attacks Hamas commits. I’ve seen it here on the streets in my neighborhood how they were giving out candy and laughing when Hamas murdered and kidnapped Israelis on the music festival and in the villages.

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                  Oh well your question was " are these people not responsible for their own actions? " In my response was clearly, you’re conflating the Palestinian civilians, and the actions of Hamas. And then I gave you counterexamples.

                  If you wanted to ask me do I feel terrible for the Israeli civilians that have been killed? Yes I feel terrible, nobody should suffer like that. Nobody should be in the path of violence.

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                    1 year ago

                    When Palestinians weren’t with Hamas they wouldn’t celebrate their violence.

                    Without them changing as well, there will be no end to the violence.