I have sympathy for people with significant mental or health issues, but most of them are just fucking weak and would rather eat a tub of ice cream than have a nice/healthy body.
A healthy diet is more than just not eating unhealthy food. It’s about having the right balance of nutrition and that’s quite difficult in our world. Especially if you don’t have a lot of money. Or have other dietary restrictions.
Also no one wants sympathy they just want you to not be an arrogant prick.
I agree that there are societal issues when it comes to obesity, there is a reason why it is so prevalent in some countries and so rare in others.
But there comes a point where people have to take responsibility for themselves, no one is forcing a fat person to drink ten litres of coca cola a day and it would be unfair of them to blame their gorging on the state of current affairs.
The last thing I would endorse is a nanny state that is controlling of what you can and can’t eat.
Sure, all fat people are stuck in an infinite loop of weight gain due to their weight gain.
You’re making excuses, losing weight is like stopping smoking. You can say you want to do it, but you won’t until you’re actually committed to the idea.
Weight loss is simple calories in vs calories out, if you ignore absolutely everything that affects both sides of the equation.
Limiting calories in is almost impossible if your brain keeps telling you you’re hungry and won’t let you sleep until you stuffed your face. Increasing calories out is almost impossible if your job has you sitting on a chair all day and drains all motivation out of you, then you get home to parent your kids without a partner.
Calories in vs calories out is a nice simple way of thinking that works well if you’re healthy, young, financially stable and have free time, but for lots of people it’s just not that easy.
Limiting calories in is almost impossible if your brain keeps telling you you’re hungry and won’t let you sleep until you stuffed your face.
That’s called will power. It isnt easy but it is true. Stop over eating and you lose weight.
Increasing calories out is almost impossible if your job has you sitting on a chair all day and drains all motivation out of you, then you get home to parent your kids without a partner.
Again. This is willpower. Increasing your resting calorie burn rate is done the same way as increasing your active calorie burn rate, by exercising and building music.
There is not complex equation here. Eat less and move more. It really is that simple.
Source: me a previous fatty that is now a power lifter that has a desk job sitting 8+ hours a day.
“just have more willpower” is not advice that is going to help anyone.
And I’m almost 100% sure you were young, healthy, not struggling to make ends meet and had free time and no kids during the 1-2 years it took to make lifting and dieting a habit.
I disagree. It absolutely helps people realize that the problem is not external and is only fixable by doing something yourself. No one else is going to lose weight for you.
Thanks for your vote of confidence but I was in my 30s working 12+ hour days. Sure, I wasn’t poor and still don’t have kids though, but that is on purpose.
Additionally, I don’t and have never dieted. I’ve simply stopped overeating.
The excuses fat people are making in this thread are unbelievable.
“I eat too many calories because I’m poor, I have kids and I work a lot of hours”. None of that is stopping them from putting down the fork, nor are all people in a similar position over weight.
It’s simply a combination of greed and the inability to delay gratification. Why have a nice healthy body in a few months or years when you can have cake now?
I don’t know. I’m not overweight but I am almost always hungry and it does suck. I could easily see myself deciding F it. I have degenerative back disease that motivates me to keep my weight down. Anyway, attributing it entirely to willpower is naive, a lot of folks are just dealing with life and weight isn’t as big of a priority to them as maybe their doctor or presumably yourself would like it to be. If I didn’t get back pain I could easily see myself not worrying about it. Stop acting like you know everyone’s life or that everyone who has different priorities than you are somehow week, you come across like a giant know it all piece of shit.
You’re talking as if eating less is a hard thing to do. It’s not, it’s just whether you can delay the idea of excess food now in exchange for a nice/healthy body later. Most adults are smart enough to know that if offered £10 today or £20 tomorrow, they’ll go for tomorrows option, but for some reason fat people aren’t willing to exchange an excessive diet now for good health and a nice body later.
It’s physically more effort to eat more than it is to eat less. You don’t have to prioritise losing weight to be able to eat smaller portions. The food isn’t putting itself in to people’s mouths, although given the range of excuses here, I am surprised that no one’s claimed that they’re being force fed yet.
At the end of the day, I don’t care what someone else’s body weight is, but if you don’t like being called fat and you’re simultaneously going to make 101 excuses about why you can’t just eat a bit less, then what can I say? Pathetic.
Macros are for people with too much time or who have a nutritional deficiency diagnosed by a doctor. At 400 pounds I got a full time job that requires me to be on my feet for over seven full hours. First month was agony. Changing nothing else, still eating garbage, I’m steadily losing weight. If I even glanced at my calories and made a change or two I’m sure I’d speed it up but after fucking with macros and getting nowhere, calories really are the biggest and probably only thing you NEED to be aware of.
You don’t need to go from living in bed eating pastries all day to fitness God and gymrat overnight. Start with a walk, get your feet used to being a little sore. Cut some junk down and increase protein consumption. Step by step, make positive and sustainable changes. Sustainable. Dont eat cardboard and think you can maintain that. Look for something healthy you enjoy eating even if it’s not perfect.
I still eat muffins and chocolate milk in the morning and I’m losing weight. We got this guys.
Of course a healthy, balanced diet is advised, but we’re not talking about that, we’re talking about weight loss. You could eat nothing but burgers and fries and still lose weight, as long as you burn more calories than you consume, weight loss is inevitable and the easiest way to do that is simply to eat less.
I’m not arrogant, I’m opinionated and my opinion of fat people is just as valid as your opinion of me. But you’re probably only calling me a prick because the truth hurts.
I’m just trying to demonstrate that insulting people is not going to get them on side. And also spreading misinformation is unhelpful and dangerous, even if you didn’t mean to do it.
A healthy diet is more than just not eating unhealthy food. It’s about having the right balance of nutrition and that’s quite difficult in our world. Especially if you don’t have a lot of money. Or have other dietary restrictions.
Also no one wants sympathy they just want you to not be an arrogant prick.
Weight loss is absolutely not about a balance of nutrition. Weight loss is about calories in Vs calories out. It’s that simple.
Whoever told you weight loss is nutrition dependant lied to you my man.
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I agree that there are societal issues when it comes to obesity, there is a reason why it is so prevalent in some countries and so rare in others.
But there comes a point where people have to take responsibility for themselves, no one is forcing a fat person to drink ten litres of coca cola a day and it would be unfair of them to blame their gorging on the state of current affairs.
The last thing I would endorse is a nanny state that is controlling of what you can and can’t eat.
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I thought that was obviously hyperbole. Obesity due to illness is a minority of cases of which I empathise, for most, it’s too many calories.
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Sure, all fat people are stuck in an infinite loop of weight gain due to their weight gain.
You’re making excuses, losing weight is like stopping smoking. You can say you want to do it, but you won’t until you’re actually committed to the idea.
Weight loss is simple calories in vs calories out, if you ignore absolutely everything that affects both sides of the equation.
Limiting calories in is almost impossible if your brain keeps telling you you’re hungry and won’t let you sleep until you stuffed your face. Increasing calories out is almost impossible if your job has you sitting on a chair all day and drains all motivation out of you, then you get home to parent your kids without a partner.
Calories in vs calories out is a nice simple way of thinking that works well if you’re healthy, young, financially stable and have free time, but for lots of people it’s just not that easy.
That’s called will power. It isnt easy but it is true. Stop over eating and you lose weight.
Again. This is willpower. Increasing your resting calorie burn rate is done the same way as increasing your active calorie burn rate, by exercising and building music.
There is not complex equation here. Eat less and move more. It really is that simple.
Source: me a previous fatty that is now a power lifter that has a desk job sitting 8+ hours a day.
“just have more willpower” is not advice that is going to help anyone.
And I’m almost 100% sure you were young, healthy, not struggling to make ends meet and had free time and no kids during the 1-2 years it took to make lifting and dieting a habit.
I disagree. It absolutely helps people realize that the problem is not external and is only fixable by doing something yourself. No one else is going to lose weight for you.
Thanks for your vote of confidence but I was in my 30s working 12+ hour days. Sure, I wasn’t poor and still don’t have kids though, but that is on purpose.
Additionally, I don’t and have never dieted. I’ve simply stopped overeating.
The excuses fat people are making in this thread are unbelievable.
“I eat too many calories because I’m poor, I have kids and I work a lot of hours”. None of that is stopping them from putting down the fork, nor are all people in a similar position over weight.
It’s simply a combination of greed and the inability to delay gratification. Why have a nice healthy body in a few months or years when you can have cake now?
I don’t know. I’m not overweight but I am almost always hungry and it does suck. I could easily see myself deciding F it. I have degenerative back disease that motivates me to keep my weight down. Anyway, attributing it entirely to willpower is naive, a lot of folks are just dealing with life and weight isn’t as big of a priority to them as maybe their doctor or presumably yourself would like it to be. If I didn’t get back pain I could easily see myself not worrying about it. Stop acting like you know everyone’s life or that everyone who has different priorities than you are somehow week, you come across like a giant know it all piece of shit.
You’re talking as if eating less is a hard thing to do. It’s not, it’s just whether you can delay the idea of excess food now in exchange for a nice/healthy body later. Most adults are smart enough to know that if offered £10 today or £20 tomorrow, they’ll go for tomorrows option, but for some reason fat people aren’t willing to exchange an excessive diet now for good health and a nice body later.
It’s physically more effort to eat more than it is to eat less. You don’t have to prioritise losing weight to be able to eat smaller portions. The food isn’t putting itself in to people’s mouths, although given the range of excuses here, I am surprised that no one’s claimed that they’re being force fed yet.
At the end of the day, I don’t care what someone else’s body weight is, but if you don’t like being called fat and you’re simultaneously going to make 101 excuses about why you can’t just eat a bit less, then what can I say? Pathetic.
Macros are for people with too much time or who have a nutritional deficiency diagnosed by a doctor. At 400 pounds I got a full time job that requires me to be on my feet for over seven full hours. First month was agony. Changing nothing else, still eating garbage, I’m steadily losing weight. If I even glanced at my calories and made a change or two I’m sure I’d speed it up but after fucking with macros and getting nowhere, calories really are the biggest and probably only thing you NEED to be aware of.
You don’t need to go from living in bed eating pastries all day to fitness God and gymrat overnight. Start with a walk, get your feet used to being a little sore. Cut some junk down and increase protein consumption. Step by step, make positive and sustainable changes. Sustainable. Dont eat cardboard and think you can maintain that. Look for something healthy you enjoy eating even if it’s not perfect.
I still eat muffins and chocolate milk in the morning and I’m losing weight. We got this guys.
Of course a healthy, balanced diet is advised, but we’re not talking about that, we’re talking about weight loss. You could eat nothing but burgers and fries and still lose weight, as long as you burn more calories than you consume, weight loss is inevitable and the easiest way to do that is simply to eat less.
I’m not arrogant, I’m opinionated and my opinion of fat people is just as valid as your opinion of me. But you’re probably only calling me a prick because the truth hurts.
I’m just trying to demonstrate that insulting people is not going to get them on side. And also spreading misinformation is unhelpful and dangerous, even if you didn’t mean to do it.
What misinformation?
I get your point, but some people need tough love.
What misinformation are you talking about? I don’t think I’ve said anything factually incorrect.