PHILADELPHIA ā€” Last week, a local Indiana chapter of Moms for Liberty attracted attention for quoting Adolf Hitler in its newsletter. After the local paper reported the story, the group added additional ā€œcontextā€ but kept the quote. Eventually, after it faced even more scrutiny, the organization removed the quote and apologized in a statement posted to its Facebook group.

That, however, was a big mistake, according to advice at the Moms for Liberty national conferenceā€™s media training session Friday.

ā€œNever apologize. Ever,ā€ said Christian Ziegler, the chairman of the Florida Republican Party. ā€œThis is my view. Other people have different views on this. I think apologizing makes you weak.ā€

He advised the attendees to instead make it clear that the Hitler comment was ā€œvileā€ but to immediately pivot to make the point that Hitler indoctrinated children in schools and that thatā€™s what Moms for Liberty was fighting against. Ziegler warned that any apology would become the headline, so that should be avoided.

You read that right. He said to not apologize for quoting Hitler. Thatā€™s what weā€™re dealing with now.

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    ā€œBut guess who it is that I see acting in bad faith right now? You.ā€

    Yeah, can you explain this a bit more?

    Yes I can. But also, I have to apologize, saying ā€œbad faithā€ was definitely going a bit too far. What youā€™re doing is being exceedingly and ironically uncharitable.

    Iā€™m guessing that the Moms of Liberty have quite a lot of statements to make the but the one in the newsletter that contained the quote was about giving parents more control over their childrenā€™s education. THAT is the topic of discussion (or at least what they present as their side of the discussion, their true agenda may differ).

    Opponents to Moms of Liberty are derailing the topic of discussion by making it about quoting Hitler. This particular article quotes a member of Moms of Liberty advocating for not apologizing, because if they apologize that will become the story instead of the actual thing she wanted to talk about.

    Then you come on here and say, donā€™t let them derail the conversation by bringing it back to the thing they actually want to talk about.

    In contrast, youā€™re associating me with some quote about killing ā€œfar-right shitbirdsā€ becauseā€¦why? Iā€™m not seeing the logic of the association between me and that quote or about how Iā€™m acting in bad faith.

    Because it is a quote by someone on this very thread with 14 upvotes. This is a member of your community and theyā€™re popularly supported and youā€™ve done nothing to reign them in.

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        At the very least downvote it. Thereā€™s now EIGHTEEN upvotes, 2 boosts, and Iā€™m still the only downvote on that comment. And I know people can find the downvote button because I can see how many downvotes Iā€™m getting.

        Moderators here donā€™t have a rule against calls for violence. I already reported it, but technically itā€™s not against the rules. Which I can understand in a politics magazine where war can be a topic of discussion, you donā€™t want to be banning people when for example the government is actively engaging in mass murder (e.g. like the Rwanda genocide) and a commenter is saying that the people should defend themselves with lethal force if necessary.

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            The quality of my comments have been so abysmal I see. And jokingly calling for genocide is one of the best quality comments on this thread.

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      You keep coming back to defending their Hitler quote. As if itā€™s ever okay to quote Hitler regardless of context. You want us to discuss insteadā€¦ Actually I canā€™t really figure out what you want us to discuss. But you want us to ignore the Hitler quote. You said that multiple times now. I think anybody whoā€™s quoting Hitler should not be given the forum for debate. Iā€™m not one that call a lot of people Nazis just for the hell of it, but if youā€™re quoting Hitlerā€¦ Well then youā€™re a Nazi sympathizer at a minimum. I have no interest in what else you want to say after that point.