Can someone explain to me
- Why does he think Trump the yaphead would ever shut up about anything ever
- What good are “bilateral talks” with someone that can’t keep their word anyway ?
What is the point here trying to show everyone just how much of a illequipped, stay-the-course, liberal empty suit he is and how he’s going to boldly going to try to “do the same thing we’ve always done except not woke this time and hope it keeps working”
Don’t these people understand that the US is only good at one thing and it’s eating liberal banking stiffs alive ?
Are they trying to lose on purpose ?
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This doesn’t say he does or he doesn’t think Trump can do it. It sets boundaries. This is how you deal with a narcissist. They will resist setting boundaries at all costs, but until they can show good faith by accepting even this very minimal one, we cannot move forward.
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Obviously no one can trust Trump over the long term. But if he can eat some humble pie and stop making comments about Canadian sovereignty, that does go towards building trust over the short term. And that’s the best you can do with someone like this. We are obliged to deal with Trump and you haven’t presented a better course of action.
There is a multiplicity of options to give Donald a bloody nose and make the american enter the Find Out stage of their fucking around. I’m really disappointed special operations didn’t pull the plug on them during the superb owl!
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You should put your stilted commentary as a comment so we can upvote the article and downvote your ridiculous hot take.
Yeah what an awful take. The pm says I’m not gonna waste time while he’s making these comments. And op says what an empty lib threat.
Sounds like op wants Canada to join the US
On the contrary I think we should be buying enough top of the line ATGMs to give American tank columns the “ukrainian welcome” when their tanks are stuck in 401 traffic.
I am offended by how bad this Carney guy is playing the liberal “head-in-the-sand” “if we don’t move maybe the predator will go away”
Obviously another excuse to give us absolutely nothing and let smol PP le poilus have his stupid slogans about housing costs while Carney gets tangled, failed in advance fake negociations with the americans.
He thinks just taking down the woke flag and cutting carbon tax is enough, he is sadly mistaken. In fact, I cannot believe any competent political operator could make this mistake. They know very well to bleed us dry and if that means the convervatives meat-heads will be the ones to do it, that’s all right with them too. Either way their stock portfolio will be fine, Canadian or American.
Don’t mistake my criticism of this empty suit as support for any of the other awful, do nothing political parties.
I followed your lead on this and re-submitted it without the pathetic commentary
Thanks. I was thinking of doing it, but got pulled away.
100% this.
We have a real dilemma here.
I think this is Carney doing his job to diversify trade and not wasting time on conversations that won’t end in anything productive.
The only reason you go to Trump now is to capitulate, show weakness and reward bad behavior. We don’t maintain our sovereignty on bended knee.
Yeah. Carney may be a vanilla Liberal PM but he’s playing this right. He’s not engaging with Trump on Trump’s terms. He’s telling Trump to shut the fuck up about annexing Canada or there’s no discussion to be had.
Your tone tell me you don’t try to understand the true advantage-disadvantage of Carney’s position because you already decided to undermine him from the very start. Disagreeing is just the start, you need to show the concept of an alternative behaviour and a reason as to why you think it will yield better results.
I, myself, agree with Carney so far and on this position. I don’t have pink glasses : it will sck being a Canadian citizen for many years. The thing is, it will suk just the same giving in to Trump, at least with our sovereignty intact we can grow over time after the initial turbulence subsides.
There is no going back, there will not be negociations, the americans want to loot us and it’s just a matter of not letting them. There will not be adults in the room and this “be nice Donald and keep your yapper shut until we have talks” is worrying if sincere and insulting if cynical. In either case it exposes this guy as the obvious empty banking mercenary suit that is almost certainly is. This is once again liberal just handing over all the ammunitions to the “bad cop” of this “two party one system” so we can get reamed for 4 years of Donald while they keep their hands clean.
The establishment is making them bet that “now that we’re under attack we’ll rally around the flag and not elect a system-smashing demagogue”. That’s how they WANT to lose.
If this is the best excuse for spin that you conservative shills can come up with, I almost feel sorry for you because it’s so incredibly pathetic.
I don’t feel sorry for you though. Apply for a green card and gtfo out of my country, OP.
- What good are “bilateral talks” with someone that can’t keep their word anyway ?
Then logically your first quesiton doesn’t matter anyway.
Yes, I am doubly questionning this
How could a politician believe Trump would back down from such limp wristed grandstanding ? Of course they don’t
And “bilateral talks”, there will not be talk, the dictator will tell us their terms and we will tell them to go sit on a maple leaf and spin. We already know the American are acting in bad faith. To humor them is to cede ground to them.
We arent humoring them. Carney is basically saying come back and try talking with us when you’re ready to behave like a civilized adult leader instead of a child throwing a tantrum.
What we’re hearing is “pwease donald come back to the table and be reasonnable”. We’re far past that
You need to have your hearing checked. Carney has declared that he will not waste his time talking to Trump. You agree talking to Trump would be a waste of time. Where’s the problem?
I think the answer to 1 is that he doesn’t, so it’s just a good excuse to avoid getting pushed into a situation related to 2. In other words, the POV is likely, “there isn’t any point in bilateral talks, but let’s say we’ll do it if he shuts up about that thing that he can’t stop talking about” - it’s just a way to pin the blame for a lack of talks down South.
That’s exactly the kind of hedging their bets centrist bull that will lose them the election. We already know they are insincere and there won’t be negotiations because even an agreement would have no value. Give the Orange douche a bloody nose right now, rather than putting red lines he’s obviously going to cross and that will just make Canada lose face for nothing.
That’s exactly the kind of hedging their bets centrist bull
Clarification required. What bets are being hedged here, regarding “there isn’t any point in bilateral talks, but let’s say we’ll do it if he shuts up about that thing that he can’t stop talking about” ? I don’t see a bet and I don’t see a hedge.
We already know they are insincere and there won’t be negotiations because even an agreement would have no value.
Yup, covered in “there isn’t any point in bilateral talks” above.
rather than putting red lines he’s obviously going to cross
Not seeing that any such “red lines” have been put in. The closest is the demand that you-know-who stop talking about you-know-what, but … a red line is “don’t do yak yak, if you do that you cross a red line and we will respond by blah blah” and in this case orange voldemort has already done yak yak and there’s no blah blah response given.
that will just make Canada lose face for nothing.
You’ve got a point here. But the moment that 51st state started to get mentioned, the face was lost. So in this specific category, is there really anything left to lose?
Give the Orange douche a bloody nose right now
Agreed! I’d argue we’re already starting to do that (e.g. Doug Ford’s electric surcharge threat).
You keep saying he’s doing it wrong without saying what you think he (or any leader of Canada) should do. How exactly do you want him to give Trump a bloody nose and what do you think the response from the US would be?
Forbid electricity and oil export. We can use the cheap electricity and cheap plastic, aluminium, steel production to undercut everyone else on price for manufactured goods. Then make US finance holding canadian asset squeal by throwing every trick at them until they liquidate to canadian owners at a steep discount. Mop up any unemployment with a massive housing building and infrastructure program. For the next four years, every productive investment is going to be free. Start that money printer.
If americans look at us wrong, ration potash exports, especially during planting season.
Also reneg that anti satellite weapon agreement and purchase 50x top of the line french launch vehicles, develop a kessler doomsday weapon thwt will make space unusable for 500 years, to be ready to launch the instant an american tank crosses tge border.
Make national universal healthcare because provinces have trying to kill and privatize their public healthcare.
That and massively boost trade with China, SEA Africa, BRICS everyone.
Not that I need to provide any solution just to have the right to point out the current bad, do nothing, appeasement strategy
Not that I need to provide any solution just to have the right to point out…
Sure, unless you want to be taken seriously at all. Saying that a guy who is two days into his job, and starting out as a lame duck to boot, is not doing enough is pretty outlandish. Especially since he wasn’t “elected” so to speak. Making any major moves before he goes through an election would likely lose him said upcoming election, and anything he has done in that time will just get undone anyway.
What he did do is send a clear message: we’re not interested in giving up our sovereignty and even if trump thinks it’s funny or a joke, we don’t see it that way. We will not enter any negotiations on trade until trump quits threatening our sovereignty. Period. You say we shouldn’t negotiate and trump won’t stop. So, Carney is doing exactly what you want in his opening salvo: he’s refusing to negotiate. I’m not sure what’s wrong with that based on your desires.
The other thing this does is clear up a window for Carney to turn away from the shit show down south and start focusing on what we need to do here in Canada: start looking at new trade partners, bolstering our home economy, and getting through an election so we don’t have a lame duck trying to get things done.
Now in terms of everything you want, well, you might want to get educated about some of these things before you act like you’ve solved the world’s problems.
Forbid electricity and oil export. We can use the cheap electricity and cheap plastic, aluminium, steel production to undercut everyone else on price for manufactured goods.
Electricity and oil exports don’t work that way. Exporting less isn’t going to make it cheaper for us. We will have to reduce production of both because electricity needs to be used as it’s generated, and we export our oil to the US so they can refine it to send it back to us. We just don’t have the facilities to handle the capacity (for electricity or oil) that the US takes. This is the same problem with aluminum and steel that has the auto industry freaking out. And we can’t just build such facilities overnight.
Mop up any unemployment with a massive housing building and infrastructure program.
I would be very surprised if a housing building program wasn’t already on the docket, with or without trump’s bullshit. Not sure if single-handedly solves unemployment though.
If americans look at us wrong, ration potash exports, especially during planting season.
American farmers are already getting fucked by trump. I don’t think he would care if we piled on. He’d just use it as an excuse to justify whatever else he can dream up to fuck with us, and then deflect and blame us for all the fucking of the American farmers.
Also reneg that anti satellite weapon agreement…
Not sure how quickly this kessler doomsday idea can be hashed out. I’ve never heard of it and it sounds, uh, unhinged. Maybe that’s a good way to deal with trump though. He seems to respect insanity.
Make national universal healthcare because provinces have trying to kill and privatize their public healthcare.
Really not sure how you can expect him to be jumping in with changes to the healthcare system this quick. That said, you’re right, Carney is probably not the one you’re looking for. Nor is the Liberal party in general.
Carney is doing his due diligence.
painting red lines on the ground that the americans will cross while also laughing at us
And it will expose them as either invaders or people who can’t be trusted, or both. Either way Canada is under no obligation to negotiate because we have an agreement in place (which trump violated) and so were free to keep making deals with other countries while the US owns itself.
The rest of the world alteady knows this, the time for signalling “donald please be reasonnable” is over. Now is the time for the Find Out phase of the american Fucking Around.
This post is trash, I’m lucky I clicked to read the dumb comment. I scrolled read it and up voted because it made sense. I then clicked and saw the dumb comment part of it, so I had to down vote it.
As someone that’s lived in Alberta for several years this is the dumbest take I’ve seen. What Carney’s trying to do is to shift the focus and reestablish discussions for actual trade negotiations. Carney’s choosing not to play by the dictator’s narcisstic rules.
Well Trunp has already wiped his ass with CUSMA, and his word / signature is utterly worthless on international documents. Carney should NOT sit down with fascists liars who can’t not lie. Even if Trunp dials down (which he won’t) he’ll just turn around two seconds later and start up again with the 51st obscenity. I agree with Carney icing him out. Fuck the US.
Yes, it’s time for the americans to enter the Find Out stage
Carney is probably the smartest man at the big table right now and he knows how to play the game.
This is gonna be interesting to watch.
Yes defintely. And I’m here for it. I heard part of a podcast today with someone who had worked with Carney and it was very enlightening. He’s a hard ass. The podcast was the most recent episode of One’s and Tooze and he talks about his experience working with Carney at minute 8 onwards.
Why does he think Trump the yaphead would ever shut up about anything ever
Why do you think that he does?
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What Carney thinks Trump’s going to do doesn’t matter tbh. Carney’s the new kid on the block, and he’s showing he won’t entertain “Governor Trudeau” nonsense for even a second. The more Carney lets Trump do sideshows like with Zelenskyy that is going to tank the Liberal’s soaring approval.
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Despite the abject moron at the other end of the agreement, Carney’s handling of a decades old partnership is also in the spotlight. Even if unrealistic or impossible to some degree (though I sense Canadian sympathy to Carney’s situation), there are expectations on Carney not to unilaterally blow up the relationship Canadians and Americans have with each other unreasonably.
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Good idea, as much as i would like Canada to start a 51 % tariff on potash and energy export on April 2nd it would only cause the US population to rally with their government, not against it. It will be more effective to slowly build up while the rest of the world add their own tariff and consumer boycotts.
Yup. If Trump keeps on like this it’ll turn into a full-on embargo by dozens of nations.
Stay the course? He’s already canceled the carbon tax. Although I’m not sure why he thinks dumb dumb would keep his mouth shut because he asked him to. Probably not gonna work out well for him. He should just talk down to him the same way Trump does to us. He’s smarter than Trump so shouldn’t be hard.
