Joe Biden and Mitch McConnell struck up a friendship during their nearly quarter-century in the Senate together. Now in their 80s, the Democratic president and the Senate GOP leader appear to be giving political cover to each other as they fend off questions about their advanced age and health issues.

Notably, McConnell, R-Ky., 81, hasn’t joined Donald Trump, 77, and other Republicans who have attacked Biden’s age, health and mental acuity as he seeks re-election.

And after McConnell’s second freeze-up last week, Biden was one of the first to call McConnell, telling reporters that his “friend” sounded like “his old self” and that such episodes are a “part of his recovery” from a fall and a concussion this year.

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      The precedent had been set that the US president can assassinate US Citizens without trial or judicial overview, right?

      You know who set that precedent, right? That it wasn’t Trump, and there was no talk of impeaching the president that set that precedent, right?

      We have a fucking imperialist presidency for the same reason people hated Trump (not a fan, or a right winger, before you accuse me of that.) People hated Trump for violating the norms of the office. Most of the powers Presidents have now are based on executive orders and precedent from previous presidents, not, you know, by actual laws. I am exaggerating for effect here somewhat, but not a lot. But violating norms is not a crime, especially when you don’t have clear laws delineating what a president can and can’t do. And it apparently isn’t a broken norm to assassinate US citizens without a trial. I don’t know how you don’t consider that an imperial presidency. Or, you’re just younger then 40 and haven’t been paying attention.

      If norms are all that define a position, and you have one side breaking the norms, and the other side following them and whining to a non-existent hall monitor that the other side is breaking, not the rules but the norms, then you get what we have now.

      Justifying Democratic presidents not using power they absolutely have because of subsection 6 of paragraph 5 is just a self righteous way to justify why they didn’t fight for you when the time came.

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        president assassinate us citizens

        A drone strike against a terrorist group is both legal and not an assassination. They didn’t isolate that one guy. He was killed while doing terrorist shit with a terrorist group, and the entire group was killed.

        Two U.S. officials speaking on condition of anonymity stated that the target of the October 14, 2011, airstrike was Ibrahim al-Banna, an Egyptian believed to be a senior operative in al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

        In other words, legal. Don’t join Al Qaeda if you don’t want to be hit by a drone.

        Imperialism isn’t “violating the norms of office” any more than it is “shit you personally don’t like,” and the above is not a violation of the norms of office, but rather something the President was given power to do by Congress, twice by that point.

        I’m not sure what you wanted Biden to do here when he accomplished his goal without overstepping the bounds of his office, per the union that asked for help.

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          I wasn’t talking about him, I was talking about his two children. Whom were absolutely not members of Al-Qaeda.

          Remember, under Obama, the definition of being a terrorist was that you were male, over 14, and you were killed by the U.S.
          Being a civilian in the Afghan/Yemen war was a privilege only women were afforded.

          Finally, it wasn’t Al-Qaeda. I will excuse this one, because you wouldn’t know it based on US reporting unless you specifically interested in the Yemeni conflict. The genocide we assisted in perpetrating in Yemen against the people of Yemen who would not/did not ally themselves, and never would with Al-Qaeda for religious reasons. The US did what it did in Yemen under the auspices of the AUMF. Which has, as the one limiting factor, that force be used against countries with an Al-Qaeda presence. Nevermind that they were the ones we were arming and backing in Syria. Nevermind that they didn’t REALLY exist in Yemen, and the few that did were imported by ‘us’ (Saudi Arabia, not the US), and the houthi did fight quite hard against them, and certainly not in the area this individual was killed. Nevermind that the Yemeni ‘Government’ that was forced in by Saudi Arabia was not accepted as the legit government of the majority of the Yemeni people (hence the reason for the ‘civil war’. We had to say they did to give the assistance that Saudi Arabia was demanding. The Yemeni ‘government’ was literally of puppet of Saudi Arabia that any sane person wouldn’t listen to. They accused everyone of being Al-Qaeda because, as puppets of Saudi Arabia, they had explicit instructions on what to say to allow the US to continue supporting their puppet regime. You won’t find this in the wikipedia article, by the by, this actually required some thought, analysis, and paying attention to the situation when it was happening.

          And no, it was not approved twice by congress. Unless you are again counting the AUMF. which seems a pretty big stretch. That law wasn’t written addressing the assassination of US citizens, does not explicitly state anywhere that it can be used for those purposes. Instead, Obama used the law in a way it was written to do something he wanted to do. I.E. he used powers not explicitly given to him to accomplish his goals. Huh. Imagine if his goals were to help workers.

          Give me a definition of imperial that we don’t fit then. I’m sure I’ll enjoy the internal inconsistencies in the definition you give.

          I want Biden to use power to help the people, and not the financier owners of the rail companies that exist to siphon of America’s productivity like parasites. Because, frankly, there are far less bounds of the office than you are implying. This appeal to notional bounds is what Democrats always do to justify their feckless helplessness when it comes to helping their constituency.

          Fuck, you’re the definition of ‘Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.’

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            If you hadn’t been wrong almost immediately I may have taken the time to respond to the entire post, but I did catch the end and our conversation is only happening in response to a post in which I showed, with citations, that Biden did use his power to help the people, and that the union in question directly credits him for it.

            Anyway here’s a page about AQY (AL-Qaeda in Yemen)

            https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/mappingmilitants/profiles/al-qaeda-yemen#:~:text=Executive Summary Al Qaeda in,the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP).

            But then, if you knew things, you wouldn’t be dumb enough to think “Lib” is an insult.

            Edit: since I already know you won’t click the link:

            Al Qaeda had maintained a presence in the country since the 1990s, consisting mainly of foreign nationals who were recruiting Yemenis, and the main Islamic militant groups in the country between 1990 and 2003 all claimed to maintain ties with bin Laden throughout the period.

            Surely you’re not deadnaming AQY by pretending they aren’t who they identify as.

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              If you knew things, you’d know that people of the left also think liberal (not lib) is an insult, coming from a completely different place. Look up the ‘Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.’ origin if you actually want to learn something.

              You’d also know that every Sunni fundamentalist group during that time period between 1990-2003 had to claim that. You’d also know that those Foreign Nationals were basically all Saudi Arabian, functioning as a first wave to try and claim the territory for Saudi Arabia, because a large chunk of Saudi Arabia was scheduled to be given back to Yemen from a 99 year lease. You’d also know that the Saudi Arabians had, in the early part of that time period just commited a pogrom against the Shia in Najran who were very excited about the prospect of rejoining a Shia majority country. And that the vast majority of the people of Yemen are Shia. You’d also know that the civil war came about specifically because the Saudis took over the government in Sanaa to, at least in part, keep the land and the people of Yemen were extremely unhappy about this.

              Fuck man, the Houthi fought against the few groups of AQAP that did still exist harder than the US did.

              I did click on that link. It’s the same standard bullshit written by people who have never been to Yemen. I also looked at the citations used. That was written by people who have never been there, mostly to retroactively justify Americas fucked up foreign policy.

              I’m done responding to someone that unquestioningly justifies the intentional bombing of a 16 year old and an 8 year old US citizens. Because it was legal (It wasn’t.)

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                Yeah I don’t think the people who say “prick a liberal and a fascist bleeds” have functioning brains. I basically view you the way I view people who eat horse paste and don’t trust vaccines.

                I’m glad you’re done responding tho, because of aforementioned opinion of you.

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                  Don’t worry, I just read your insane foreign policy opinions in other threads. You’re insane. You want to start WW3.

                  A top to bottom American Imperialist who justifies every foreign policy position America has ever taken, no matter how evil.

                  Even the ones that committed those foreign policy blunders have publicly admitted were wrong. Obama publicly admitted he regretted the US’s role in the Libyan war.

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                    I thought you were done responding lol

                    If you’re gonna hate-read my every post, at least post hog.