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Summary
Ontario Premier Doug Ford warned that Canada could cut electricity exports to the U.S. in retaliation for Donald Trump’s new tariffs on Canadian goods.
The U.S. imposed a 25% tariff on most Canadian imports, citing border security concerns. Ford emphasized that U.S. states like New York and Michigan rely on Canadian energy and should “feel the pain.”
Canadian officials also announced $155 billion in counter-tariffs.
If enacted, energy restrictions would likely raise prices in the U.S., escalating trade tensions between the two countries.
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Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it… America needs to learn, I say this as an American.
Honestly, I don’t think there’s going back to any level of normal. Maybe by quickly destroying the system, we will be able to quickly rebuild it (after all the destruction to everyone’s lives)
They need to do this and make it absolutely clear that it is 100% Trump’s fault. They cannot be allowed to make the claim that canada did it unprovoked or for the lulz.
Trudeau got in front of the cameras today and spelled this out. Our government chose to take this action, and Canada is having an entirely reasonable response. Once the tarrifs end, we can go back to where we were, but in the meantime, Americans need to learn how much they rely on Canadian trade and need to understand that this is entirely our government’s fault.
There really is no way to back to where we were. We can only go forward from here. This is a bell that can’t be unrung.
Sadly, fox, oan and the usual right wing echo chambers aren’t gonna feed Trudeau’s message to their idiot masses. The people he reached are people that probably have at least half a clue what’s happening and who is responsible.
those “proaganda-tainment” isnt going to mention trumps tariffs negatively affecting maga voters. i distinctly remember almost none of them did when he put tariffs in effect the 1st term.
USian here, don’t think twice, fucking do it.
Trump won’t care. Mostly hits blue states. He will probably cackle
Do you mean American? Or am I having a stroke?
Mexicans and Canadians are also from North America, and, hence, are American.
Plus there’s all of South America. Also American.
Ya, all of South America just out here proud of Vespucci, the pickle dealer. First thing they say landing in Tokyo for a visit. “Hello, I’m American,” they say.
I think if you called Canadians or Mexicans “Americans” right now, they would be very offended.
Also, USian just sounds really fucking dumb.
Yeah, it does sound kinda dumb, but so are we
Speak for yourself.
Clearly USian is tongue in cheek. You’re taking it way too seriously. Like… WW3 is potentially on its way, I don’t think USian sounding stupid is something anyone cares about.
“potentially”
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I wouldn’t be offended, signed a canukian
Nobody would ever say it in real life. That’s how you know it’s for the terminally online smug huggers.
In Spanish, as far as I know, “americano” = inhabitant of the American continent, “estadounidense” = person from the US, so I don’t think Mexicans would be offended at the first, at least not in Spanish.
As an American, I agree 100%. Canada needs to kick our ass. We deserve it.
I agree with the sentiment but those states are all pretty blue. Trump might just let it happen to widen the divide and somehow claim that it’s punishment for not bending the knee.
Im gonna tell you right now, as a Canadian, we do not care what colour your states are.
But also - we invite secession!
Secession is a nice idea, but merging into Canada is a nonstarter.
Canada is 40 million people, New York is 20 million. That kind of influx would be insane to manage. And that’s just one state…
I can only think of east/west Germany as the closes parallel and they are still merging the halves.
Let’s start with something smaller - Vermont is cool, they can come over (PS Bring Bernie).
There is a simple solution:
Form a North American union
“We can’t merge states with Canada because what if we tried with <third largest state with largest city in either country>?”
Your logic here is flawless.
Got it. The Americans who have been struggling against this shit storm are still allowed to communicate.
Yeah well the country you guys are threatening to invade is allowed to have a fucking opinion on it.
I support that. I invite you to hate on the US government and the assholes that put it in power. But you do yourself and many like me a disservice by acting like all US citizens want this to happen.
We are not acting like all US citizens wanted this to happen, but we understand that this is happening and what you wanted at this point is not relevant. If you don’t want to be lumped into the rest of your belligerent nation, do something.
You’re right. Apologies. Its been a shitty decade.
You do yourselves a disservice by allowing this to happen.
You’re right. Sorry.
Given that Canadians don’t typically vote in American elections, I don’t see how that has anything to do with us or should affect our decision making.
The USA is tariffing us, not just the red states.
Yeah, the us is bad at thinking everyone is inside their crazy system. It does not matter to us if you state “don’t blame me I voted for Kodos”, at the end of the day you are all citizens of a belligerent nation. Your government is representing you all on the world stage, if you don’t like it do something about it.
That’s some weird logic. Trump enacts tariffs on Canada,who retaliates in kind, so you’re worried about blue votes. Trump may claim that after the fact, but he’s definitely not playing chess that many moves ahead.
The dude can barely plan a double jump with hopscotch, much less checkers.
That Ozempic chewing orange twat has never physically jumped in his life, let’s be honest.
Trump enacts tariffs on Canada.
Exactly. Trump. Not the states that voted against him. If you want to retaliate, retaliate against Trump. Make him, and the people that voted for him feel the pain.
Look at the things he’s doing domestically. There’s nothing he and his MAGA dipshits love more than sticking it to the blue states. So, Canada doing something that predominantly hurts blue states isn’t going to hurt Trump at all. Quite the contrary, it’s going to give him huge hard-on.
So, if your goal is to help Trump, well then carry on.
Like it or not, Trump’s actions are America’s actions now and we’ll fight back in any way we can.
Also Canadians are pretty pissed at Americans in general right now
Cutting off power in blue states will mean that the energy has to come from somewhere else, which means higher demand, and higher costs across multiple states, also red ones.
And let’s not pretend those “blue states” don’t have very large numbers of maga idiots as well
Washington State, here. Can confirm. Seattle and Bellingham carry the state blue. Them yokels everywhere else vote red.
I’ve literally seen Dixie flags here in Washington. Like, how fucking dumb do you need to be?
Dixie flags are usually a dog whistle for racism
Thanks. I was just mentioning it for fun. I definitely wasn’t insinuating that. /s
What is it you actually think I intended? Are your glasses foggy?
those states are all pretty blue.
Minnesota is. Michigan tends to be (especially now that our districts are drawn independently), but we voted for Trump as a state. And New York is mostly red except for NYC.
I almost want to see our power bills skyrocket in Michigan. But at the same time I know full well the dipshits who voted red (including my own family) will blame everyone else before they blame the people who might end abortion. So it won’t matter. They won’t learn. Instead we’ll all suffer because of their idiocy and they’ll continue to think that we’re winning.
(In fact they’ll be thrilled because it will mean increased oil and natural gas production to close the gap in demand.)
There are no blue states. It’s red country and blue cities.
Vermont in particular is heavily dependent on imported energy.
Maybe you guys should just kick out the traitors that very obviously work for a foreign government.
Do it unilaterally without discussing with US.
Or even better: Discuss it with Ukraine, US gets no say in the deal. And if drumpf disagrees, the reply will be “you don’t want electricity.”
I actually had a good laugh at this… Then I had to login to my second account to up vote this twice.
… so that people probably die? Really?
Trump is “gambling with lives.” He’s “gambling with World War III.” He’s “showing major disrespect for the country, our country.”
He should say sorry. I haven’t heard him tell us “thank you” for anything this entire time.
Be mad at trump
No mercy.
Good for them, maybe our economy will collapse too, and an angry mob will storm the white house and kick Trump out. He can emergency evacuate to Russia, and we can find an administration that isn’t insane.
Heyy… a guy can dream.
sort of the best case scenario
Im still flabbergasted that so many people are just shrugging at what Trump is doing and saying, well, if only Kamala or the DNC did this or that instead. Maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess.
In general, the more a person brags about something, the less true it is — and Americans love to brag about how tough and free they are…
Leftists aren’t capable of self reflection.
Imagine thinking Harris is a leftist
I think you had a reading comprehension fail.
I guess you proved your own point.
Oh, how disappointing, I thought leftists crossed a broad spectrum of thinking and many were annoyingly, mutually, critical.
Which semi-fictional political segment generalization is self-reflexive then?
Best case Ontario.
I’d prefer we do more than kick Trump out. Like…guillotine them all.
Broadcast it live on PBS!
This was just off by 50 years.
Yup.
It isn’t just Trump that has to go. It’s every traitorous Republican in Congress who have abdicated their responsibility to the Constitution and to every single U.S. citizen.
Cept that is what the rich want. Shit to fall apart. Cuz then they get to buy shit up for cheap and consolidate even more wealth.
The rich aren’t going to be buying anything if the dollar is literally worthless. Hyperinflation is no joke.
Also, they won’t be buying anything if they become festive decorations on fences and lampposts across the country.
The Rich™ want to buy the dip and buy up property (see project 2025). They need the economy to break but not to completely collapse. And then it will “bounce back” enough that they can transfer their USD to other currencies.
Whether trump’s fucking stupidity will accomplish that seems REAL questionable.
That said: Massive power outages (also, this is just the equivalent of a state governor with a crackhead brother saying it to appear strong to Canada’s conservatives) might be what this country needs to get out en masse in places other than the blue states.
With a dead crackhead brother you mean
That works until their shit gets burned.
When the only things left to buy have to be built with hands and eyes, they will have to share the wealth with the rest of us.
Feel free to get on with that angry mobbing.
I wish we weren’t pinning our hopes on angry mobs. But you play the hand you are delt.
We won’t do shit until we are literally starving. Look right here at Lemmy, non-stop memes and stories about how what horrible economic shape we’re in. So how is everyone fat?! Meanwhile, I go to work and look at what’s for sale, at what prices, and think, “Jesus, people pay for this?!”
Even the Great Depression didn’t have us storming the White House. Think on that.
tl;dr: Americans aren’t near broke enough to band together.
You say that but the other team went far into your capitol and they looked well nourished enough.
The great depression had the bonus march. They camped in front of the white house and were dispersed with tear gas and cavalry charge led by Douglas MacArthur.
Very true.
But we’re speedrunning the fall of America.
Give it another year or two. You’ll start seeing widespread violence. We can only cross our fingers that it gets directed properly toward our traitorous government.
Yeah, thats why I said a total system collapses. And that’s not out of the question.
Considering he won an undisputed election and at least a quarter of his base are gun nuts, plus police love to use excessive force & violence, that scenario would probably play out poorly for pretty much everyone. I would say try to show conservatives how terrible he really is, but that’s not going to happen in Lemmy. I’m not even conservative, I’m anti-authoritarian centrist but even I find this place extremely hostile to conversation with anyone who doesn’t embrace the group-think.
Nobody is going to support trump if the whole system collapses. We’ve seen it play out over and over across history.
If you take a shot at the king, you best not miss.
In reality, it isn’t shitty enough for people to revolt. 3 days of food scarcity and shit will happen that makes the French revolution look tame.
And that is when you stage a coup.
Well, yeah. But if people try to forcibly remove him before that happens probably there will a lot of unnecessary beatings, incarceration and death. Honestly even leftists have been saying this system needs torn down for decades. So if he tears it down, build back better.
Whole world needs to put 300 percent tarrifs on the US until they realise they are 5 percent of the world and aren’t in a position to bully others.
China’s going to eat their lunch if they keep things as they are.
A quarter of the world’s GDP, just saying.
GDP is largely a bullshit metric anyway.
Two economists are walking in a forest when they come across a pile of shit.
The first economist says to the other “Ill pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit.” The second economist takes the $100 and eats the pile of shit.
They continue walking until they come across a second pile of shit. The second economist turns to the first and says “l pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit.” The first economist takes the $100 and eats a pile of shit.
Walking a little more, the first economist looks at the second and says, “You know, I gave you $100 to eat shit, then you gave me back the same $100 to eat shit. can’t help but feel like we both just ate shit for nothing.” “That’s not true”, responded the second economist. “We increased the GDP by $200!”
For now.
All based on the dollar belling the oil reserve currency, when other countries switch America’s going to be the first fourth world country.
Do it Canada. The dumber half of our country needs to learn the hard way. And, unfortunately, the smarter half has to go along for the ride.
Exactly. The entire reason Trump is President again is because we did not take the serious extreme and required actions after the 2020 elections to ensure that him, his supporters, and enablers could never participate in American society again.
The same mistake we made after the civil war we decided that we would be generous and go easy on those who betrayed us. We are still paying for that mistake we are still paying for the mistake with Trump. The only thing fascist understand is violence in the only way fascism ends is through violence.
we dint even investigate the election machines in 2020, because the DNC was so afraid of being called out rigging themselves.
The dumber half of our country needs to learn…
The won’t. You need to target trump’s real support, which is Russia and billionaires. Going after his voters is like kicking a dog for eating it’s own puke. The poor animal just isn’t capable of understanding what it did or why you kicked it.
(Copy-pasting from another thread)
I like Cory Doctorow’s plan.
The reason Canada got tariff-free access to sell to the US in the first place? Canada agreed to enforce penalties for tampering with digital locks, following the premise of the Digital Milennium Copyright Act.
If the US is going back on the deal, then Canada should too. Make it legal to jailbreak all US tech.
Doctorow advocating for this plan:
- On Democracy Now
- On his blog
- On his podcast
- In the Ursula Franklin lecture at the University of Toronto’s Innis College (I especially enjoyed this one, but it is the longest)
Big up DemocracyNow. Every American should have them as one of their sources of news.
Thanks for sharing this info mate…It’s a eye opener…Just fuck the technocrats.
Now that’s an idea! Hit us back where it hurts, right in the oligarchs
Doctorow likes to put it as “hitting them right in the dongle”.
We could stop respecting US copyright laws everywhere outside of the US. That would be hilarious.
I mean I already don’t respect them, but legally they still matter unfortunately.
Do it, but sadly it will affect the Blue States.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Glad that Canadians are standing up for themselves.
As an American, fucking do it, and make sure DC and Red states feel the most pain. And don’t have some qwar ass back door conversation/deal to end the tariffs. Refuse to end them until he goes on live television and reads the following
“To all my fellow Americans, the best Americans from the best America, in hind sight, as it concerns tariffs with our closest geographical allies, I was wrong. The decision I made was stupid, and it was made by an idiot, me. Unfortunately I don’t have the intellectual or business aptitude to actually determine what a good decision would be, as opposed to a bad decision. In fact, I am as stupid as the idiots who voted for me. This was the idea that I thought I would be fantastic and I was completely wrong and it’s the only idea I had. I apologize to Canada and Mexico, both their leaders and citizens”
It would crush him to make a sincere public apology and backtrack. And he’ll still get lynched before the end of year. Because he fucking deserves it.
Canada ought to put forward two points.
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Any tariff trump makes will be matched, and will run for 90 days longer than trump’s tariff (make that shit show up big on quarterly earnings numbers)
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Any tariff that trump merely mentions publicly, or in private negotiaions, will immediately start a retaliatory tariff from Canada.
just mentioning will put companies into a panic.
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Unfortunately, most of Texas will be fine… ish. Well, as fine as they usually are, which isn’t great. I’m really surprised more people aren’t up in arms about how much this state fucking sucks ass for literally everything.
On the slim bright side maybe just maybe this might make the US think of renewable energy, it’s why China invests so much into it to prevent relying on countries for oil.
Ehh who am I kidding, that’s not going to happen at all.
More likely they’ll reopen coal plants
The children, they yearn for the mines
Drill baby drill!
Cancer baby cancer!!
No worries! The climate catastrophies will get most of us well before cancer does.
Oh honey. Burning fossil fuels is responsible for 1 out of every 5 deaths in the world TODAY.
china has thier own internal problems, thats probably the least of thier worries.
maybe this might make the US think of renewable energy
Probably the opposite. There are a lot of blue states in the NorthEast importing Canadian hydro as a cleaner energy source than burning fossil fuels. I’m sure the repugnicans line will be something like “if only they used good old American coal from Wyoming or West Virginia”
Fracking was our answer to energy independence.
Fracking is the answer to, How can we poison our underground aquifer while continuing to put even more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere? I guess when we’re dead we won’t need energy. Checkmate fracktheists?
Agreed. It wasn’t the right answer, but it was the one the government pursued.
China invests so much into it
China is building two coal plants per week. And their “green” programs are just facades to take Western money.
Yep, taking Western money by Chinese companies buying Chinese renewable energy equipment and paying Chinese installers. Taking western money by building out renewable energy faster than the rest of the world combined, in their own country using their own companies with their own finances
I’m talking about stuff like this
China added more coal power in 2023 than the rest of the world combined.
Don’t get too excited. Ford loves to talk tough but he’s a fucking pussy.
We’ll see what actually happens. No one here is holding their breath.
Hey pussies can take a pounding.
R.I.P. Betty White
So he’s a big ballsack?
LCBO is actively removing American products from shelves.
I do think there’s more technical problems related to decoupling a massive load from the grid, but Ford does seem to be following through with at least some of the promised retaliations. Time will tell if he keeps it up.
Does he have anything in plan to protect Canadians rather than just revenge on the US? Like in BC they’re pushing the buy local, cutting down American liquor sales, and realloting some money to prep for what’s expected to be all the upcoming layoffs.
All I’ve seen from Ontario is Ford saying he’ll kick America’s ass metaphorically but is there anything in place to protect the local jobs that’d be lost if they were to cut off all that electricity?
Not sure, I don’t live in Ontario anymore so I’m not so plugged in on provincial politics. It would certainly be very like Ford to make all these big aggressive moves but ultimately fuck over Ontarians in the process. But like I said, I’m not aware of the details, so that’s just baseless speculation.
Ford didn’t care about Canadians when he did nothing about the housing shortage for the last 4 years, I wonder why he pretends to care now?
Pretend to care just won him another 4 years as premier so why wouldn’t he?
Those bribe cheques certainly helped
Ford was literally pro trump and congratulating him when he won, he pivoted almost immediately to gain favour with Canadians and it worked
virtue signalling, hes probably doing this for political pts.
