• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    because letting the right win has to be the stupidest ever way to influence change to the left

    Maybe the party shouldn’t have done it then. There will never be anything that will get Democrats to move to the left. You know it. You love it. It’s why you’re gloating with your spoiled milk analogy.

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        5 hours ago

        Because leftists can’t get a win.

        Oh, you gonna gloat too? Ok, hows about the party hold honest primaries for fucking once. Or primaries at all? How’s that for step 2? Then again, since you love your sour milk, that’s a nonstarter too.

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          You’re a bit weird, I’m still not talking about Democrats, I’m talking about leftists.

          What can leftists do to get a win?

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            Well, they could take over the green party. They’re a small party with even smaller primaries. The left could just saunter in and take it. From there, they could extract concessions from Democrats in exchange for not running. Or run. If Democrats don’t want to split the vote, they don’t have to field a candidate. It’s not like they’re interested in winning in the first place.

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              From there, they could extract concessions from Democrats in exchange for not running. Or run.

              Ngl this is kind of a great idea. It’s certainly better than what the green party is doing right now.

              This does assume the green party will let someone beat Jill Stein. Also IMHO it’s a mistake to always go right for the presidency when there should be a focus on local and municipal movements.

              But it would be nice to see leftists finally get a win in something.

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              Why the green party? Why not primary vulnerable downballot democrats?

              Use the same tactic the right has used on the republican party over the last 20 years to move the opposition party our direction. Is the green party uniquely positioned or something? They have a terrible track record and at least at one point about a decade ago, were thought to be infested with .ru shills.

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                Why not primary vulnerable downballot democrats?

                Because I’ve seen how that goes. The party protects incumbents as long as their opponents are progressive.

                Compare how the party protected anti-choice anti-labor pro-nra Henry Cuellar to how it abandoned Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman.

                Also, your question assumes fair primaries. Democrats don’t do those.