One Woman in the Justice League

Just one woman, maybe two, in a team or group of men.

Also watch Jimmy Kimmelā€™s "Muscle Manā€™ superhero skit - ā€œIā€™m the girly oneā€

The Avengers:

In Marvel Comics:

ā€œLabeled ā€œEarthā€™s Mightiest Heroes,ā€ the original Avengers consisted of Iron Man, Ant-Man, Hulk, Thor and the Wasp. Captain America was discovered trapped in ice in The Avengers issue #4, and joined the group after they revived him.ā€

5 / 6 original members are male. Only one is female.

Modern films (MCU):

The original 6 Avengers were Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye, and Black Widow.

Again, 5 / 6 original members are male. Only one is female.

Justice League

In DC comics:

ā€œThe Justice League originally consisted of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and Aquamanā€

6 / 7 original members are male. Only one is female.

In modern films (DCEU):

The members were/are Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash, Cyborg. (+ introducing Martian Manhunter (in Zack Snyderā€™s Justice League directorā€™s cut))

5 / 6 main members in both versions of the Justice League film are male, with appearances by a 7th member in the directorā€™s cut who is also male. Only one member is female.

The Umbrella Academy (comics and show)

7 members:

  1. Luther (Number One / Spaceboy)
  2. Diego (Number Two / The Kraken)
  3. Allison (Number Three / The Rumor)
  4. Klaus (Number Four / The SĆ©ance)
  5. Five (Number Five / The Boy)
  6. Ben (Number Six / The Horror)
  7. Vanya (Number Seven / The White Violin) Later becomes known as Viktor and nonbinary in the television adaptation after Elliot Pageā€™s transition but thatā€™s not really relevant to this.

Here, 5 / 7 original members are male. Only two are female. Only slightly better than the other more famous superhero teams, and they had to add another member (compared to Avengersā€™ 6 members) to improve the ratio (maybe executives still demanded to have 5 males).

Now letā€™s look at some sitcoms and other stories.

Itā€™s Always Sunny in Philadelphia:

4 males, and 1 female slightly less prominent character who is abused constantly. The show claims to be politically aware and satirical but gets away with a lot of misogynistic comedy, tbh, that Iā€™m willing to bet a lot of people are finding funny for the wrong reasons.

Community:

Jeff, Britta, Abed, Troy, Annie, Pierce, Shirley. This one is a little better, 3/7 are female. Notice itā€™s always more males though, they never let it become more than 50% female, or else then itā€™s a ā€œchick flickā€ or a ā€œfemale team upā€ or ā€œgender flippedā€ story. And of course the main character, and the leading few characters, are almost always male or mostly male.

Stranger Things:

Main original group of kids consisted of: Mike, Will, Dustin, Lucas, and El (Eleven). 1 original female member, who is comparable to an alien and even plays the role of E.T. in direct homage. When they added Max, I saw people complaining that although they liked her, there should be only one female member. šŸ¤¦

Why is it ā€˜iconicā€™ to have only one female in a group of males? Does that just mean itā€™s the tradition, the way itā€™s always been? Canā€™t we change that? Is it so that all the men can have a chance with the one girl, or so the males can always dominate the discussion with their use of force and manliness? Or so that whenever the team saves the day, itā€™s mostly a bunch of men doing it, but with ā€˜a little helpā€™ from a female/a few females (at most), too!

Itā€™s so fucked up and disgusting to me Iā€™ve realised. And men donā€™t seem to care. Iā€™m a male and this is really disturbing to me now that Iā€™ve woken up to it. How do women feel about this? Am I overreacting?

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    Too often, I would agree with you yes. But itā€™s also in the context of how theyā€™re crying and the way that they are crying. Thereā€™s a type of crying where for example, a commander is leading troops across the battlefield, watched longtime friends get blown apart and the commander sits down and just quietly cries after the battle. Whether the commander is male or female isnā€™t going to matter. Most people would say OK thatā€™s reasonable level of emotion for the commander.

    That little context, there is what too many directors and producers donā€™t understand. The emotion has to fit the character and has to fit the scene In order for it to be believableā€¦

    As far as the whole bossy and bitchy versus assertive comparing men to women. Again, I canā€™t speak for what other people think and say

    can only speak for my personal point of view. Where I have a real problem with it is when actors and actresses arenā€™t taught appropriately to be assertive without being bitchy. Men generally are able to pick up on it easier. Women sometimes they donā€™t pick up on it and theyā€™ve gotta have voice Training. Now that is not saying all women are that way so I donā€™t want somebody coming back and saying hey this guy just said all women arethis way. Well no I didnā€™t. But many times women donā€™t have the role models needed in their life to understand how to be assertive. Well, how do you act assertive on a movie screen if nobodyā€™s ever taught you how to be assertive?

    It would be no different than if somebody asked me to lead troops and combat well I donā€™t know how to do that. I wouldnā€™t knowhow to be assertive in that manner so I doubt Iā€™d do it very well. Or for example, if somebody said hey, go repair that engine well if nobodyā€™s ever showing me how to do it I donā€™t think Iā€™d be able todo it. Given ones a technical skill and oneā€™s a skill of how to project your voice, but if youā€™ve never had somebody show you howto do it or teach you how to do it and youā€™ve never had a role model in that manner. You might have a hard time it.

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      I think thatā€™s it. I was taught how to project my voice, how to use an authoritative tone and it has helped me get leadership roles. Itā€™s a skill, and itā€™s a skill that any leader ought to have, in a film, at least.

      Both men and women can do it, but you need to learn and I havenā€™t seen nearly as many girls trying to learn it as boys