Summary

Salwan Momika, the Iraqi man who staged several Quran burnings in Sweden in 2023, was shot and killed in Sodertalje, near Stockholm.

His actions had sparked international outrage, riots, and diplomatic tensions. Swedish police confirmed a murder investigation is underway, and several arrests have been made.

Momika, who sought asylum in Sweden in 2018, faced charges of incitement to hatred, with a verdict scheduled for the day after his death.

His protests were permitted under free speech laws but led to legal action against him.

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      10 hours ago

      the man wanted to incite hatred, show him middlefinger by doing the opposite

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        How do we know he wanted that?

        I see the post that says he was being charged with inciting hatred, but also says his act was protected under free speech.

        I think it’s dumb to be burning books as the only people who are going to be pissed are the fundamentalists and they’re always pissed off anyway, but I respect his right to free expression.

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          What other possible reason would someone have to burn a book that is to some more important than their life. Either people dont care about it or become enraged. And just because you have right to do something doesnt mean you should. His actions have caused a lot of harm, also most likely his own death too.

          For argument’s sake, lets assume he had some positive reason for his actions. Has there been a single positive thing that has come from this? If you want to do good you need to think the consequences through and if you dont then you shouldnt do anything at all.

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      momika did it specifically to spark outrage among immigrants. don’t do that.

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        11 hours ago

        Because that’s be antisemetic and how dare you to anything against the Jewish people, don’t you know European persecuted them so the entire world now can’t anything to them due to white guilt

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      Thanks, while we’re at it let’s burn some books by Jewish authors too.

      See what I did there? Burning books is never a good look on you.

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        There’s burning all the copies of a book from the local library so no one has a chance to read them, and there’s burning one copy of a book which as an estimated 100 million copies printed per year as a protest.

        To some the Quran is as hateful as Mein Kampf, and you know what people say about tolerance of intolerance. You may not agree, and you may think books should never be burned. I am on the fence on that. But I do know people who burn books shouldn’t be assassinated. And people shouldn’t live in fear of reprisals for speaking out against any religion and its teachings.

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          Yeah I have read both the Quran and some exempts from Mein Kampf. Cannot recommend the latter.

          My favorite part from Mein Kampf was the one about the fox, the goose and the tiger who are all assumed to be hostile towards each other. Because of this „Arians“ shouldn’t mingle with Jews. If you’re troubled with following the soundness of the argument that’s because there is none.

          Let’s ignore for a second that it’s just outright offensive to compare the books of any world religion to Mein Kampf. Even if you don’t believe in the whole God thing, then the Quran would still be a brilliant collection of verses spoken by some illiterate orphan without any education somewhere in the Arabian desert. And I can tell you that because I‘m a native speaker and even the hardcore atheist Arabs agree with me on that.

          I think no one should be assassinated and capital punishment shouldn’t exist. And believe me when I tell you that I want freedom of speech. But there’s freedom of speech and hate speech. I don’t want freedom of hate speech and I don’t care who it is targeting.

          I still don’t think anyone deserves capital punishment for anything, but to use this to generalize against all Muslims and our religious books is rightfully being called out as what it is, Islamophobia. Say the exact same things you said just about burning the Torah and we wouldn’t even have to argue about that being antisemitic.

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          To some the Quran is as hateful as _Mein Kampf

          I am atheist/agnostic but it is downright offensive to compare any major religious work from a major world religion (let’s arbitrarily define that as more than 1 billion followers I don’t intend this as a category of judgement just size) to that shitbook from a genocidal maniac.

          The Bible, the Quran, Hindu texts like the Vegas or Upanishads… to say I know more than a passing knowledge about these works would be a lie but I know enough to understand there is real good in those books mixed up with problematic aspects, subject to a constant conversation and study by practicioners that attempts to reconcile and interpret the best parts of those things into a way forward.

          Even if you are a staunch atheist there is real meat on the bone in the religious texts I listed above to read critically and consider.

          Mein Kampf is just hateful trash, it isn’t worth reading, go read The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann (Woods translation) or listen to the superb audio book, it came out of Germany at basically the same moment and it is vastly superior in every respect as a work of intellectual and political introspection and it is actually fun.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magic_Mountain

          https://campuspress.yale.edu/modernismlab/the-magic-mountain/

          https://www.americamagazine.org/arts-culture/2022/12/13/thomas-mann-franklin-freeman-revisited-244293

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        THEY CAN’T KILL US ALL

        You’d be surprised how efficient and streamlined capital punishment is in the middle east. So they probably can. (Unless you’re talking about outside the ME, then i doubt it)

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            Then sorry. I thought so due to him being Iraqi, concern of him being deported and executed, and his reason for burning the Qur’ans originally.

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      look i hate netanyahoo and his party but i don’t think this iraqi guy deserved it, i belive in freedom of religion and expression

      and i think based on my experience (due to coming from sunni family) islam is something more than a religion

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        Hate speech is an exception to the freedom of speech in Sweden. (Same as in EU countries).

        You are allowed to practice your religion and express yourself, but hate speech is off the table.

        So if he was not jailed or fined for these book burnings, the law has failed and somebody could have taken matters in their own hands.

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        His schtick was grifting and being as racist as possible against brown people. This blatant racism is unacceptable in any way. We do not see Muslims mass burning Torah’s because they hate Israel either nor should they be doing that.

        This is straight up Nazi rhetoric. but because it is against Islam it is accepted in most Western countries. Even part of the more liberal establishment will defend it.

        This man will be slightly more missed than the United Healthcare CEO.

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          Is this accepted in most Western countries? It might he legal in the USA but most would think ypu are a weird asshole for burning a holy book.

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          I dont know, the Swedish police’s slowness to charge Paludan and Momika with hate speech doesn’t really justify some random vigilante (or Turkish spy) going and giving him the death penalty. Kinda outside the paradox of tolerance here.

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      Yeah tbh as a Muslim it’s pretty tiring and offensive to read all of that shit when most of us are just busy living our lives like everyone else. And we’re here on the supposedly progressive and liberal Lemmy…

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        Wait, are you suggesting that its a bad idea to generalize what a billion plus people living in vastly different places and situations believe? /s