Summary
An Axios-Ipsos poll shows that while two-thirds of Americans, including 93% of Republicans, support mass deportations of undocumented immigrants, support declines when specific methods are proposed.
Only 38% favor using active-duty military, 28% back diverting military funds, and just one-third support separating families or deporting those who arrived as children.
Trump’s plans for mass deportations face logistical, economic, and public opinion challenges.
Experts note abstract support for deportations fades when Americans confront the complexities of implementation.
Very few people have a grasp on immigration law in the first place. I’d imagine most Americans don’t understand that if someone was brought into the country without a visa as a child, raised here, and got married to a citizen and had kids they must be deported and are banned from applying for a green card for 10 years (there are appeals to this, but that’s how the process stands). Breaking up families like that is nonsensical from a public policy standpoint, so nobody really intuits that’s how the system works.
This reminds me of the UK’s shelved(?) plan to detain refugees and deport them to Rwanda. I don’t just mean people who have come from Rwanda, I mean everyone, just using Rwanda for people storage. If it wasn’t such a dark topic, I’d say the whole thing was slapstick, both in it’s original conception and attempted implementation.
Close enough, welcome back Australia
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Fervently Supporting a thing you wouldn’t support if you just gave a little critical thought to the matter feels uniquely American.
And doubly republican.
Only because you’re prejudiced.
Brexit says it’s not just America.
Willful ignorance is a universal “value”. America is just ahead of the curve, at the moment. Counting out other countries is just prejudice.
India with Muslims, Chinese with Uyghurs, Europeans with Muslims, Canadians with First Nations, Denmark/Greenland with natives, Myanmar and Rohingyas, Brazil with Natives. I can keep going
Please note that Europe isn’t as prejudiced with Muslims as it could be.
Old Nazi concentration camps are not online.
I take that as a win.
Which is exactly why Europe is becoming right wing again. The bar CANNOT BE genocide and death camps. That leaves a fuckton of other horrible shit that “don’t seem that bad” in comparison
They are still asking the wrong questions and blissfully ignoring the elephant in the room. If you round up thousands of people there will be logistical problems:
a) you can only deport people to countries which are willing to take them.
b) you’ll have to detain them until they can be deported
Which means concentration camps. Ask Americans if they support concentration camps in their country. Because that is what is going to happen.
concentration camps
Detention facilities. Or whatever bullshit they come up with to make it seem alright.
Word play is a very American Thing.
I’d say it’s a very “thing that’s done in politics” everywhere.
I mean, we always have in the past. Native Americans, Japanese during wwII, waco
Waco?
That one was a joke
Well they’re already building the camp(s) in Texas. I don’t know how anyone who voted for this thought it would go down. It’s a bit late to cry “but not like that!”.
Yeah that’s exactly how the concentration camps happened in Nazi Germany. The initial plan wasn’t to start starving and gassing the Jews. It was to round them up and deport them. Turns out you can’t practically deport millions of people, so they started murdering them instead.
I think you’re missing an “n’t” in there somewhere
Whoops, thanks. Fixed it.
For the third time, at least.
About one in 10 Americans — and close to 1 in 5 Republicans — said they’d support deporting immigrants who are in the country lawfully.
Lead and microplastics have severely fucked us all up in the head.
This just in,
Racist people dumb as shit.
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Hate gets easier the farther removed you are from the object of your hatred.
All want to eat sausage, no-one wants to butcher pig. Or something like that.
Hell, most people actively avoid even seeing how sausage is made.
Immigrants made America great, and America needs immigrants to remain great.
America hasn’t been great for anyone but rich people for quite some time now. There’s certainly worse places to be but there’s also a lot of better places regardless of which metric you evaluate that by.
Why does US continue to attract so many immigrants across the economic scale and education level
I generally try to avoid doing the whole “American propaganda” shtick, but in this case… I mean come on. We make some of the most popular, ubiquitous media of any country in the world, and the vast majority of it shows us loving freedom and being cool as hell.
I won’t deny that our standard of living is among the highest in the Americas, but the fact that things are getting worse all the time doesn’t seem to matter to most people
Pretty much every immigrant already knows people here, whether closely or indirectly. They are not drawn by the rosy picture presented by the NBA or Marvel movies and presuming they are is really condescending and honestly embarrassing too. No - what they see is members of their families or friends’ families succeeding and sending back massive remittances, or for the professional workers they have easy access to pay scales for the same industry in the US vs. their home country and a certain number of them are more than willing to trade distance from family for 2x to 3x salary.
… You think it’s embarrassing that I think that advertising works?? You’re hilariously naive to think that it doesn’t.
Like I said, sure, we have a higher standard of living than most countries, but there are plenty of options when it comes to moving somewhere with a higher-value currency. And any other option will probably come with some form of socialized medicine and better protections for workers. Oh and they won’t have an incoming administration promising to deport everyone en masse and keep them in camps in the meantime.
Weird how so many still choose here then! I guess Marvel and Taylor Swift are just that cool.
Lol were you just looking to pick a fight? You literally asked why people found this country appealing then got mad when you saw an answer you didn’t like
Republicans have primed Americans into thinking illegal immigrants are criminals bringing in crime and drugs into the country. Which is completely fabricated and untrue. However, the Democratic Party have failed to counter message (since they dropped the Dreamers messaging) and instead adopted the right wing on immigration. That’s the entire reason we see this contradiction. A genuine counter message would be popular. And it’s essential considering that Trump is going to start mass deportations tomorrow, which will quickly mean the beginning of concentration camps for millions of Americans
Even within the polls where deportations have majority support, in the same poll, there is much more support for legalization.
https://www.vox.com/policy/368889/immigration-border-polls-election-2024-trump-harris
https://news.gallup.com/poll/647123/sharply-americans-curb-immigration.aspx
TWO-THIRDS?? Where did they do their sampling, Cracker Barrel?
If only. That comes out to nearly all Republicans and around a third of Democrats. I could totally see 30% of Democrats being in favor of mass deportations.
First line of the article
Most U.S. adults (9 in 10 Republicans and close to half of Democrats) say they support mass deportations of immigrants living in the country illegally
You gotta remember that the “They’re taking our jobs” and “They’re getting our tax money” propaganda has been pervasive in America for decades. And they don’t, actively or passively, want to know about the realities of the lives of undocumented immigrants in the US. They don’t want to read the studies or know the data. Feelings don’t care about the facts.
Not that anyone asked me but I support a two pronged approach that involves revamping the entire immigration system while sending aid to countries suffering mass emigration. (Seriously, how do I get asked to participate in one of these polls?)
I don’t know if they’re trying to hide their racism but I’ve observed many people say they’re just focused on the illegal immigrants. I think a lot of people actually respect the value of immigrants in this country and want them to come here via the appropriate channels.
If we minimize the astounding number of people coming here illegally because their country is shit and/or because our system for processing them is shit, it should be logistically easier to track and capture people coming in for nefarious reasons.
What we should all be more concerned about is our inability to escape political theater and propaganda. We are being lied to and manipulated to hate and to attack one another for the benefit of corporations and politicians. In and of itself, this isn’t new. But it’s ability in the 21st century to spread and mutate instantaneously is something we have to make ourselves more conscious of.
Do we know what the response would be if you asked them in an open-ended manner? Is there a party-line answer circulating in the right-wing cinematic universe?
How the fuck do undocumented immigrants join the military? I feel like that’s only possible because the military explicitly set up their policies to allow it.
Neither the article or the summary say anything about undocumented immigrants joining the military.
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No they cannot. You must be a legal resident and have a green card to join any branch.
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Why are you trying to have an imaginary argument? Are you that bored…
What argument? They stated an interesting fact (citation needed) relevant to an earlier post. This is what is known as “discussion”.
There’s no discussion. The article doesn’t have anything to do with employeeing undocumented immigrants.
So it’s at worst an “off-topic discussion”
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The short answer is no, undocumented immigrants can’t join the US military.
Quoting from the US Army recruiter FAQ:
Can non-U.S. citizens join the Army?
Enlistment into any branch of the U.S. military, by citizens of countries other than the United States is limited to those foreign nationals who are legally residing in the United States and possess a Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services Alien Registration Card (INS Form I-151/551 - commonly known as a “Green Card”). Applicants must be between 17 and 35; meet the mental, moral, and physical standards for enlistment; and must speak, read and write English fluently.
