Summary

Norway leads the world in electric vehicle (EV) adoption, with EVs making up nearly 90% of new car sales in 2024 and over 30% of all cars on its roads.

This shift, driven by decades of policies like tax exemptions for EVs, higher taxes on fossil fuel cars, and perks like free parking, has put Norway on track to phase out new fossil fuel car sales by 2025.

The country’s wealth, renewable hydroelectric power, and extensive charging network have enabled its EV revolution, serving as a model for other nations.

  • karl_chungus@lemm.eeEnglish
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    15 hours ago

    Hydrogen cars also suffer from an infrastructure issue, yes….among others, mainly just not being competitive with EVs at all because they’re not really any better at anything except for fueling time.

    As an EV owner without the convenience of charging at home, I don’t blame the vehicle. There are plenty of other conveniences that come with one to offset the inconvenience of charging elsewhere.

    I’m not sure what point you’re making here apart from “this is the world we live in”, which was never really in doubt.

    • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
      1·
      14 hours ago

      The point is exactly that… “this is the world we live in”… And as that world evolves, or as technologies and consumer desires changes, what people will complain about will change as well.

      If there were no gas stations around… I would blame ICE cars for needing gas and thus would choose something else that fits my needs better. The point is that infrastructure exists and is part of the package of buying the vehicle. It’s fair game for discussion, and thus blame.

      • karl_chungus@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        14 hours ago

        I think we’re just saying the same thing in different ways here.

        We can blame lack of EV adoption (in part) on infrastructure reasons, but that itself is no reflection of the vehicle.

        OTOH, there are reasons hydrogen vehicles never took off beyond simply infrastructure, so I’m not sure why this example was given.

        If there were no gas stations around…. I would blame ICE cars for needing gas

        Not the lacking infrastructure?

        I agree infrastructure is part of the package of buying the vehicle I’m just not sure why you would blame one for the inconvenience of the other. Why not blame infrastructure for infrastructure problems, and vehicles for vehicle problems?

        • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
          1·
          12 hours ago

          Not the lacking infrastructure?

          It’s not the infrastructure’s fault I bought the car that I can’t feed with whatever energy source it uses.

          If I buy a car knowing that the infrastructure is lacking then the car causes me problems doesn’t it? Or lets say infrastructure disappears because of demand (or lack thereof), the car becomes useless, no? These things are linked.

          • karl_chungus@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            10 hours ago

            If you buy a vehicle knowing you don’t have the means to fuel it, it’s not the vehicle that’s the problem lol.

            I make public charging work, and knew what I was getting into prior to buying it.

            If you want to explore the hypothetical of every home in the country suddenly being without power, I would still consider that a failure of our infrastructure/housing more than the vehicle itself. In that situation the vehicle is fine, you just can’t fuel it. You would also have other issues to worry about.

            Would you blame your refrigerator for no longer being able to keep your food cool in a power outage as readily as you would your EV for not charging, or would you blame the grid’s inability to deliver reliable power to your home?

            • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
              1·
              8 hours ago

              Would you blame your refrigerator for no longer being able to keep your food cool in a power outage as readily as you would your EV for not charging, or would you blame the grid’s inability to deliver reliable power to your home?

              Both the fridge and the grid… You know how/why? I choose the model of fridge that keeps seal well, that is efficient (takes less energy overall), etc… There are decisions made when buying the fridge that rely on whatever cost I evaluate at the time.

              This is my point… It’s ALWAYS both. They go together. The fridge is useless without power… The power is useless without shit to run. They are intertwined. If the power magically swapped to 240v rather than 120v, I’d be pissed at both the grid and my devices. If you buy an electric car and have nowhere to reliably plug it in, you’re going to be mad at the car (and hopefully yourself for being stupid and listening to the car salesman).

              In this SPECIFIC case, I have solar and backup battery. So I’m even more in tune with actual things like how much power my fridge draws.

        • Tobberone@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          13 hours ago

          With the way things are going in Norway, i bet EV cars will be blamed for that one as well, when the petrol stations start to disappear…