• davidgro@lemmy.world
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    Also you know literal volunteering, like for a charity.

    I volunteer at a non-profit on weekends, and that places me in a position of extremely little power, way below the board of directors and the executive director and I’m choosing to be there.

    I really just don’t get the original statement, not sure what it’s trying to say.

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      23 hours ago

      Yea but the charity has to be nice to you since they depend on volunteers. At any point you could just leave. I’d say this is an about equal relationship in terms of power

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        That is true but I feel it’s still uneven. Assuming I want to be there, if I mess up they can just not invite me back.
        Those who set the rules (what ‘messing up’ even is) are still in a position of power over me in that sense - I can’t get them fired (those positions are paid) the same way they can just dismiss me.
        I am of course perfectly fine with this, and am not seeking to move up in the hierarchy. (But it is possible to do so.)

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    Idk too much about theory but what about accepting those with more knowledge in specific fields? Isn’t that a voluntary hierarchy

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        I guess heirachy isnt “real”, like its entriely within our socialogical minds. So i feel like its entriely up to each individual’s ego to decide wether they can give that power (the power of knowledge and information and ‘truth’) over to another.

        i guess i agree with you, you can acknowledge anothers technical ability, but it might be bruising.

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      Does it follow that I reject all authority? Far from me such a thought. In the matter of boots, I refer to the authority of the bootmaker; concerning houses, canals, or railroads, I consult that of the architect or engineer. For such or such special knowledge I apply to such or such a savant. But I allow neither the bootmaker nor the architect nor the savant to impose his authority upon me. I listen to them freely and with all the respect merited by their intelligence, their character, their knowledge, reserving always my incontestable right of criticism censure. I do not content myself with consulting authority in any special branch; I consult several; I compare their opinions, and choose that which seems to me the soundest. But I recognize no infallible authority, even in special questions; consequently, whatever respect I may have for the honesty and the sincerity of such or such an individual, I have no absolute faith in any person. Such a faith would be fatal to my reason, to my liberty, and even to the success of my undertakings; it would immediately transform me into a stupid slave, an instrument of the will and interests of others.

      — Mikhail Bakunin, God and the state, Chapter 2


      Expertise merely refers to one’s knowledge or skill in a particular field, but my understanding of CPR or ability to bake shortbread cookies does not make me an authority over you. Other than the conflation of force and authority, this is one of the most common confusions people have about anarchism, made worse by the fact that there are some anarchists who still use authority to refer to both command and expertise just because Bakunin did. Personally, I find that creates needless confusion. If you’re using the word authority to describe everything from slavery to knowing how to build a bridge, then why use the word at all? Just use the word expertise when you’re talking about expertise. Listening to medical advice isn’t a hierarchy. Having expertise doesn’t give me the right to command you unless I hold a position in a hierarchical power structure that grants me that authority. As Bakunin himself said:

      …we ask nothing better than to see men endowed with great knowledge, great experience, great minds, and, above all, great hearts, exert over us a natural and legitimate influence, freely accepted and never imposed in the name of any official authority whatsoever, celestial or terrestrial.

      — Andrewism, How Anarchy Works » Dissecting Authority (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrTzjaXskUU)

      I highly recommend reading in full that section from Andrewism. It’s no more than 5 minutes to read.

    • Lime Buzz (fae/she)@beehaw.org
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      No, someone having knowledge about something and you asking them to do something or to pass the knowledge on to you doesn’t automatically create a hierarchy.

      It only does when they lord said knowledge over you, which doesn’t have to happen.

      It’s only a problem in the current system because this is what people are taught to do or feel they must. Because of ego, as well as having invested time and other things into learning said knowledge and so people feel extremely protective or act in pompous ways about it.

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    Kink can but doesn’t have to create (temporary) hierarchies.

    However, if it does then because they are voluntary and in theory support autonomy, consent and boundaries at their core it shouldn’t usually be a problem.

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      in a healthy kink relationship, the submissive is the one in control: what they say goes; the dom merely makes suggestions in a manner that seems to outsiders as if the sub doesn’t have the control (and indeed the headspace of both participants leans toward that too). if the sub says no, it does not happen

      this isn’t a hierarchy; this is a complex relationship that can’t be defined as narrowly

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          idk it made it more hot for me! when you know the dynamic you can fuck with it and then things get REAL fun