• Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    Nice. Now cars are only for the rich like they should be.

    Real solution: Ban cars in parts of NYC.

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      Right because everyone needing a car means everyone who can’t afford one just automatically gets one.

      Step one of reducing car-dependency is to reduce their number on the road. Then you can start bulding shit that accommodates the poor through actually nice-to-use public transit, bicycle paths, and walking routes.

      Charge the rich. Build for the poor. Better yet, charge the rich, build for everyone. Not just cars. Because not everyone has cars.

      Like FFS “good job now the poor can’t drive” is hardly a comeback when it’s like the most expensive mode of transit, massively subsidized with taxpayer money, just to kind of make it work. It wasn’t something that could be made affordable or even efficient enough for everyone to use on a daily basis to begin with.

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          Cut to me dramatically removing my “fuck cars” jacket like a Yakuza character to reveal a “fuck private property” t-shirt

      • Ulrich@feddit.org
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        Step one of reducing car-dependency is to reduce their number on the road. Then you can start bulding shit that accommodates the poor through actually nice-to-use public transit, bicycle paths, and walking routes.

        Why can’t you start building shit before reducing their numbers? I don’t see what one has to do with the other.

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          Of course you can. I’m using “step one” as a figure of speech to express importance.

          Controlling vehicle numbers is a very “low hanging fruit” that can do a lot to improve things for a very low cost.

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      What was that saying again, something along the lines of: A great city is not where the poor own and drive cars, but the rich take public transportation.

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        A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It’s where the rich use public transportation.

        - Gustavo Petro, current president of Colombia, former mayor of Bogota

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        I feel like what this good intentioned quote misses is that the poor are priced out of the city core entirely and pushed into banlieus

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      Now cars are only for the rich

      More that roads are for high occupancy or professional vehicles - buses, ambulances, construction vehicles, commercial trucks - that still need access to Manhattan but can’t be placed on a train.

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        Buses --> tram

        Ambulances --> single lane road/biking path

        Construction vehicles, commercial trucks --> single lane road

        Problem solved, no need for cars inside the city

    • OmegaLemmy@discuss.online
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      Banning cars actually works really well if you can prepare parking spaces or fully focus public transport

      Source: Taksim Street

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          Multistory and underground parking spaces with a toll on how long a car stays, turkey has İSPARK which maintains this

          This’ll both allow people with cars to travel here, and will also lead to people preferring to walk or use public transport

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            The profit incentive to build parking is through the roof in NYC, they can charge a ton for parking, and there’s still not enough.