“never plug extension cords into extension cords” is probably the most common piece of electrical related advice I’ve ever heard. But if you have, say, 2 x 2m long extension cords, and you plug one into the other, why is that considered a lot more unsafe than just using a single 4 or 5 meter cord?

Does it just boil down to that extra connection creating another opportunity for the prongs to slip out and cause a spark or short circuit? Or is there something else happening there?

For that matter - why aren’t super long extension cords (50 or more meters) considered unsafe? Does that also just come down to a matter of only having 2 connections versus 4 or more on a daisy chained cord?

Followup stupid question: is whatever causes piggybacked extension cords to be considered unsafe actually that dangerous, or is it the sort of thing that gets parroted around and misconstrued/blown out of proportion? On a scale from “smoking 20 packs of cigarettes a day” to “stubbing your toe on a really heavy piece of furniture”, how dangerous would you subjectively rate daisy chaining extension cords, assuming it was only 1 hop (2 extension cords, no more), and was kept under 5 or 10 metres?

I’m sure there’s probably somebody bashing their head against a wall at these questions, but I’m not trying to be ignorant, I’m just curious. Thank you for tolerating my stupid questions

  • Dark Arc@social.packetloss.gg
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    There are two things going on here.

    The first is that yes, more connections causes more opportunities for the plugs to slip. So you can get short circuits or even arcing that can start a fire.

    The second is that the wire in the cord has a certain rating on it. Many of those cords do not use 12 (20 amp) or 14 (15 amp) gauge wire; so, they’re not rated for the full capacity of the wire in the wall. The breakers are sized to protect the wires in the wall, they don’t know anything about the things plugged into them. So what can happen is you plug too much into the extension cord (particularly if it’s a power strip) and the load on the extension cord is not enough to trip the breaker (because the walls are fine) but it’s enough to overload the extension cord wire. In other words, the extension cord can start getting so hot it melts and possibly arcs up as the insulation fails.

    You can have a fire from overloading a single power strip in just the same way. However, the more you chain together, the more likely you are to overload the power strip.

    Ideally, you just think about what you’re doing… But historically the easy answer is just to tell people not to chain things.

    In short it’s not about the distance, it’s about the insulation and quality of the wire itself along with the number of connections.

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      Awesome answer - thank you!!

      Although I guess a more general question - why aren’t all power boards and extension cords mandatorily fitted with their own circuit breakers/overload protection circuits? I guess it’s cheaper to just tell people never to daisy chain, but at the same time, when you factor in overall costs incurred by anybody (or insurance companies, etc) from people unintentionally overloading them and causing them to melt and burn down houses, wouldn’t it be in everybody’s best interests to raise the price a few dollars and include a resettable overload protection system?

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        Technology Connections made a 25 minute video about American extension cords and why they’re dangerous, if you want to watch a long form answer.

        Edit: oops, just saw I’m late to the party with this video

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        iirc British plugs do have a fuse built in to every plug, but they are also the only ones who do that

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        Some power systems do actually put a fuse in the extension cord… I think it’s the UK that does this. Basically every power system other than the US uses different (safer) plug designs that solve the arcing problem.

        In practice daisy chaining rarely causes a serious problem and it makes things more expensive so it never really became a thing that was legislated or common within the US. Similar to how the plug designs themselves rarely cause a problem so it hasn’t made sense to actually change them.