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      If you’re especially non-confrontational, then even the first one, or 0 reaction, can do. Just don’t do the polite chuckle. They’ll think it landed.

      I have to work really hard not to laugh myself, and instead let it be awkward.

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      It’s all about where you live and what you look like.

      I’m a huge white dude in a red state, I’ve been getting hit on by nazis since before I was a teenager because I look like their “ideal”.

      Like, when they picture their “master race” it’s what I look like, so they always fucking assume I’ll agree with any side comment they make.

      If you’re not in a super blue area, you’re not hearing stuff because something identifies you as “them” and not “us”. But even in blue areas I’ll hear shit.

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        I’m a white American immigrant in Germany. The shit people say to me about immigrants, which they then walk back with “but not you, you’re one of the good ones,” is infuriating.

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      No, but bigoted, cisgendered, heterosexual white men are probably more likely to listen to other cisgendered heterosexual white men due to their bigotry.

      Someone disagreeing within Chad Junior’s very narrow social circle will mean more to him than someone outside of the circle, especially if that person is also unlike Chad Junior in several ways. Unfortunate as it is.

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        In my experience that is almost never the case. They’ll just call you a liberal soyboy or something and never think on it further.

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      Definitely. It’s just an amplifier. Imagine a protestor saying “too many cops are violent and need to cool it”, as opposed to a cop saying “too many cops are violent and need to cool it”

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        I had a Mexican friend back in college and we used to joke that if you put El in front of something, it became Spanish.

        So he’d say something like, “Hey, do you want to get el pizza tonight?”

        And I’d say, “Sorry, I don’t speak Spanish.”

        (Although normally we’d do it as an inside joke when someone couldn’t understand him because of his accent.)

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      My ‘hey, you’re being a fuck stick’ detector doesn’t discriminate, despite what my stolen meme says

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        Middle-aged white men have a lot of privilege. It’s time we used it for good.

        Is this white-saviour and/or patriarchial? Yup. Does it work? Also yup.

        I don’t know if we all realize this, but some shitlord being told “What the fuck is wrong you?!” cuts deeper when it comes from someone who looks like their dad, granddad, or their boss.

        I’m a 47-year old white guy in a leadership position in a large company. I’ve done exactly this to both young-millenial edgelord types who think I’m in on the joke, and boomer or elder-Xers who are yelling at clouds. I will tell you that, not only does it smack down the dipshit who thought that “lol rape” or “brown people bad” was funny, it also sets the tone for everyone else in the room, and it gets word around that bigotry isn’t acceptable.

        Anyone can say this, but it hits harder when it’s someone privileged. Women, LGBTQ folk and other vulnerable groups don’t have this privilege, and get shut down, and if we don’t want that to be the case, we need to speak up for them.

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          Fuck yes. This is the entire point of the post. This is not my meme, but some turds are focusing in on ‘buh only WhItE mEn?!’. No. Not just white men. White women and children too, anikan. Anybody really.

          You raise a very good point about our white male privilege and the lack of ‘stopping power’ less privileged groups have when challenging bigotry.

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          All of this also applies to women saying horrible things being called out by other women who they respect / think are part of their social group.

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        It’s only bigotry if it’s cishetwhitemen doing it, otherwise it’s just sparkling discrimination.

        I’m not in the trenches of this particular culture war, so I don’t know shit, but I really do wonder why not phrase it as “people who want to be better allies” instead of targeting a single racial group and sexual orientation. Would feel more inclusive.

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          I think you got it. The op was probably fixating on the biggest impact that they can see, but that’s going to vary by community and who is reading this.

          Also huge shocker, diverse groups of people also need to be mindful of this shit.

          It’s the reason good “DEI” policies are important. If you just start hiring people from more diverse backgrounds (good) then have them land in a toxic work environment with 0 support (bad) then they’re not likely to thrive.

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      Yes. Didn’t you know that straight men are the root of all problems in the world?

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    These comments, yeesh. I am a cis white dude, and I don’t see how this post is offensive. As I’ve gotten older and more self-confident, I absolutely call people out for their garbage opinions/statements. Being a cis/straight/white dude it happens all the time that somebody says something racist/sexist/homophobic in front of me assuming I’ll be sympathetic. I’ve used all these “scripts” and encourage you all to use them also.

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    Pfff. Everytime my father in law goes on a racist diatribe I tell him, “Mustafa is what now?”. He is my Egyptian brother in law and the kindest and hospitable person I know.

    I also very dislike my father in law, used to be a somewhat good guy, then he got old and racist.

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    I told a coworker they were “full of shit” then repeated that when they said “what?”

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    “I won’t let you talk to them that way” is a bad one that doesn’t belong on this list. It implies you’re in control of them, which you’re not. It’s essentially a bluff, and if they call it, you need to be able to beat them up.

    To add more good phrases to this list, the phrases need to imply that the person still has their own agency (because they do), and that it’s just a dipshit way to use that agency. The other phrases are great.

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    I’m going to use all of these except the “I won’t let you” because that could trigger the right wing persecution complex, and/or sound like fighting words.

    I want them to think normal people (not me tbh) are put off by their weird shit.

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      it also reminds me of the whiteknighting “alpha” cliche; “i will protect u, my princess”. maybe thats just me.

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    There’s one thing I really don’t understand. And this question has no agenda except that I would like to. Also if I use the word “he” inappropriately, please for the sake of the question let that slide…

    Say a woman transitions to a man. He’s a man now, right? So why is it necessary that he be called trans and someone who was born a man be called cis? I mean if the goal is equality, and it should be, why should we know or care which is the case? And the same question goes for cis/trans women.

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      most of the times the difference between me and a cis man is not important, so i simply say i’m a man. Sometimes the difference is important, and then i clarify i’m a trans man

      90% of the time and most people i meet will have no idea i’m transgender, the other 10 are doctors, people i want to have sex with, and those i’ve talked with about trans experiences

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      Using the cis/trans labels are good when the experiences are different in some important way or it’s worth pointing out for some reason. Often it’s just better to refer to both cis and trans men as just “men” and cis and trans women as just “women”. It depends on the context. These online forums tend to be rather political or tied to identity in a way that a lot of more real life conversations won’t be. The cis and trans labels can probably be left off more often in real life than you see them used here.

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      It’s just useful terminology. It comes up when it comes up.

      I don’t spend much time calling my girl friends trans-her, if that’s what you’re asking.

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      Well I would assume trans-men are smarted and don’t really need another guy to tell them. But then trans people like Caitlyn Jenner exist and she is dumb as shit. She has got to be the single most hated trans person ever.

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      good question! You used the correct pronoun. Even more correct: that man was Assigned Female At Birth. He was always a man. You’re right, the point is exactly that it shouldn’t matter, just like bi/homo/hetero, or nonbinary/female/male. But as long as rightists unfortunately make it matter, we need to talk about it.

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    Just yesterday at work I heard some coworker telling some nightmarish stuff (for the other person of his story) and laughing as if it was fun. Problem is, all other dudes were laughing with him.