• AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.world
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    No, she’s special, unlike those other lazy libruls.

    I personally know, or knew (I stopped talking to him) a guy who was on welfare for 10+ years, but always ranted loudly about people on welfare being freeloaders. Their situation is always special in their minds, unlike all those other lazy moochers.

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      Conservatism is correlated with a complete lack of empathy. They have trouble understanding other people are sentient beings, let alone equally deserving of freedom. Any problem that doesn’t affect them is just a lie made up by evil Others to take away what they rightly deserve, which is everything.

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        Not sure if its the same study that we’re talking about here, but there was a study done on conservatives and (neo)liberals empathy levels towards others during the covid pandemic’s initial onset, one of the works it cited as supporting evidence looked into political biases in relation to empathy in 2010, and while those classified as liberals (not remembering how they defined liberal for the paper, will have to find my citation & check later) more often attributed external factors to people’s suffering (someone is poor because they suffer from bigotry based discrimination), conservatives almost universally attributed personal factors to those same people’s suffering (someone is poor because they use drugs) UNLESS that person was listed as conservative in which case they were more likely to attribute it to an external factor.

        They do have empathy, just only for those who are also conservative.

        Interestingly, if I’m recalling which paper it was correctly, jordan b peterson (who is now a right wing influencer) actually contributed to it, this was BEFORE he started appearing in right wing circles and was while he was still someone who would be considered respectable

        IMPORTANT: I’ll have to find my statistics notes to back this up, so for now, please take this with a heavy grain of salt

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      Love that phrase…”love this country”.

      What does it even mean? The citizens? The flag? The physical land and soil that encompasses “this country”? Love the government? If so, what about the government do you love? The governments policies? Laws? The constitution? The actual government employees? Which ones? The president? A combination? How is the combination divided?

      Also, depending on the answer to the above, why? Because you were born here? You think it’s better than other countries? How are you defining “better”?

      Stupid phrase imo.

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        For me loving a country is a natural love of home. It’s a sentimental attachment. I want my country to be a nice place the way I want my home to be a nice place. I want to feel the pride of both. If my kitchen stinks because of spoiled food and piles of dirty dishes I don’t feel right. Same when my country stinks of poverty, homelessness, sick people who can’t afford cures, etc. I want my home to be better than that. Recognizing faults doesn’t mean someone doesn’t love their country. it means they’re honest.

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          But why would the boundaries of your “home” be as big as a country?

          Sure, being proud of yourself makes sense, and of your family and close friends and of the things were you or they have a strong influence over like their homes and what they do which in some cases means their jobs.

          However being proud of something were you and those you hold dearest are but a tiny, tiny fraction with pretty much zero influence is not at all the same thing, especially if most of the great things about it are the product of the works of people long dead.

          My point being that pride in one’s country is an artificial thing which you’ve been pushed into having from the outside and as such is a prime vector to manipulate you (and all it takes is to listen to politicians harp about the greatness of one’s country to see that it is indeed being used for that by some), not something natural like pride for you and those close to you and their deeds.

          I wouldn’t be surprised if my words above feel wrong, but under a cold logical analysis, do they come out as wrong?

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        A friend who worked in D.C. for a while clued me in to the Rosetta Stone of understanding the right-wing mentality: It all flows from a deep, abiding self-hatred. They need constant reassurance that they are good people, because they don’t really believe it.

        Furthermore, they literally need an untermenschen (the poor, the homeless, the sick) to be better than, so their own success proves that they are good.

        It’s obvious when you look at it this way: America must axiomatically be all good, because they are Americans; with your criticism, are you saying they’re not good?

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        Well, Trump is obviously the country, so loving your country means giving him a pass for every one of his failures as long as he blames the other side and also blindly obeying and defending each and every one of his self-serving orders.

        You know, just regular patriotic stuff.

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        Same with being proud of the country. Proud of what? The country doesn’t do anything.

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      Whenever I’m driving through highways, hiking at the Adirondacks, walking around nyc, visiting my friends in LA, I’m always in the awe of this country. Fuck these people who think we don’t “love” this country.

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      We tend to have strong mixed feelings on it in my experience. It’s got a lot of bad. Some of it is impossible to remove, but it’s also got a ton of good. And yeah the right doesn’t understand that when we criticize this country we’re trying to make it better. I want America to be somewhere I can be proud of. I want people to think positive things when they think of Americans. We could be fucking awesome. And in some ways we have been. I want us to be the country that a refugee from Iran I met a decade ago saw us as. I want us to see other countries doing smart things like universal healthcare and the metric system and join in because this is America and we deserve to do things the best we can.

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      In all fairness it’s only an assumption of those who confused Nationalism with Patriotism.

      Patriotism (what can I do for my country) fits naturally with Leftwing principles (such as “The greatest good for the greatest number”) whilst Nationalism (what can I get from being born were I was born) fits naturally with Rightwing principles (such as “What’s in it for me?”)

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      The opposite of when you mispronounce a word because you’ve only read it in books.

      These dummies don’t read and heard this word wrong.

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        I learned the word “moot” from Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords on PC. I am wondering if I am more of a dummy or less of a dummy than someone who learned the word from reading and someone who learned the word from hearing it.

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          I learned this word in a rather unusual way. One day as a bored teenager, I was sitting around thinking of funny sounds that could pass as real words. “Moot” came into my head and, out of curiosity, I decided to look for it in a dictionary.

          Needless to say, it became a new favorite. Moot. Moot. All these years, and it still sounds funny to me.

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    “She loves this country more than 3/4 of the folks on the left”

    I’d like to see what data they were referencing for this claim.

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      Oh, that’s simple. There’s a doctor with a rubber glove and a flashlight that helps them get their data.

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        The left hates the evil this country does. The right hates the people who live in this country but are slightly different than they are.

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    Fun fact, if she renewed that visa with her plans to go to school in Florida, but then stayed there… She’s ineligible to ever become a citizen because she lied to get a visa.

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      It would be somewhat understandable if they were actually ideologically consistent…

      But watch that person bend over backwards to say why Elon musk (or Melania trump) shouldn’t be kicked out of the country, or have his citizenship revoked, after it came out he was doing the exact same “illegal immigrant” thing.

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    Maybe she can instead stay in the new complexes for migrants. And wonder if deportation is actually the plan when the trains arrive because maybe her education included gas chambers.

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      That’s far too subtle even for people with fully functional brains. No way Internet commenters are going to let go of their holy rage long enough to entertain that interpretation.