• deaf_fish@lemm.ee
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    7 days ago

    Leftist here. I voted for Kamala. All the leftist media I consumed argued for voting for Kamala. All the leftists I knew vote for Kamala.

    What are you talking about?

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      7 days ago

      Leftists are so insignificant that we don’t need to make any concessions to them but so powerful that they are responsible for any Democratic loss.

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        6 days ago

        Leftists are just about the only group that will go around saying they “won’t vote” if there isn’t a candidate making enough concessions to them. Leftists are a small group but they are enough they could sway an election if they came out and made their voices heard by voting instead of just holding signs and yelling. But getting that to happen isn’t as simple as just saying you’re against the genocide, because Harris did that and it wasn’t enough. It isn’t as simple as supporting unions, because she did that and it wasn’t enough. It isn’t as simple as supporting rights for women, minorities, and LGBTQ, because she did that and it wasn’t enough.

        The right isn’t stupid enough to believe that they can get their oligarchy without winning elections, but belief in incremental change is fundamentally incompatible with a lot of leftist ideology.

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          6 days ago

          Democrats spend far too much time and energy pretending everyone to the left of the Democrats are anti-electoralist anarchists.

          getting that to happen isn’t as simple as just saying you’re against the genocide, because Harris did that and it wasn’t enough. It isn’t as simple as supporting unions, because she did that and it wasn’t enough. It isn’t as simple as supporting rights for women, minorities, and LGBTQ, because she did that and it wasn’t enough.

          Yes. You’re absolutely correct that what the Democrats are doing is not enough. If the DNC can get that through their thick skulls, maybe we have a chance next time.

          You can’t just say you support unions.

          You can’t just say you’re against genocide.

          You have to make people’s lives materially better, and until the Dems choose to do that, we’re in trouble.

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            everyone to the left of the Democrats are anti-electoralist anarchists.

            I’m an anti-electoralist anarchist and I voted for Kamala because I’m not a fucking idiot.

            Until I see an exit poll showing that the folks who turned up for Harris were centrists and the left really did sit it out.

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      7 days ago

      There were a few people on the left (with followings on social media) advocating for third party votes because Kamala wouldn’t say that she was going to stop sending money to Israel.

      Post election, it looks like third party votes didn’t spoil anything.

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        6 days ago

        Oh yeah, I was arguing with them all the time. I figured they were bots. Seems like they have all dried up right after the election.

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          Define “dried up”. The election us over and the country chose fascism. What else is there to argue about?

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          (Most) Third party voters are like cicadas. They spend the majority of their lives immature and underground. Every 4 years they swarm and die quickly to apathy and despair.

          Just like cicadas, third party voters will be heavily affected by climate change.