• WaxedWookie@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    The PLO were in power, Israel knew who Hamas were, and funded their rise to power (for what reason other than to manufacture the pretext for this genocide?), they also created and maintained the conditions that would motivate and justify violent resistance, so yes - Israel are responsible for Hamas.

    In maintaining the horrible conditions I pointed to, Israel further motivated people to push back by any means necessary while giving them as little as possible to live for.

    You don’t get to tell us you want peace as you defend a genocide. You don’t get to tell us about atrocities as the IDF gleefully document dozens per day, and you don’t get to tell the people you’re genociding that they’re wrong.

    With that all clarified, what would justifiable Palestinian self-defence look like, and do those principles apply equally to Israel?

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      7 days ago

      So basically Hamas is an inside job in order for Israel to exterminate innocent people? And the reasoning for that is…? I guess 7th October was also a self made incident?

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        6 days ago

        What’s your explanation for Israel funding the terrorists’ displacement of the secular moderates with predictable, deadly results?

        What - you think Netanyahu cares about Israelis given his refusal of ceasefire after ceasefire and hostage exchange after hostage exchange? How quaint.

        Seems straightforwardly clear that it was to manufacture the pretext for the current genocide.

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          6 days ago

          Thats quite the “theory”. Also I am still failing to see the motivation? “just kill some muslims” and sacrifice some of our own for that?

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            6 days ago

            For the third time - why did Israel fund Hamas’ displacement of the secular moderates with predictable results?

            Kill the Palestinians, take their land - you know - exactly what they’ve been doing for decades, and were able to dramatically accelerate after October 7th.

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              6 days ago

              Ah okay, Israel just wants more land… that is why they sacrifice their own people and kill “innocents”. Sorry but no, I rather see the truth in it. And seemingly the world is also moving towards that. Lets see what Trump will do in that regard. :)