Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

Last weekā€™s thread

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

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    Seeing a worrying trend of people wanting to cosplay as La Resistance, going dark, hiding from the cops. ā€œFunā€ fact, the Gestapo was extremely good at finding, torturing and killing people in the resistance. If people only know you via encrypted messaging, who is gonna raise a ruckus when youā€™re sent to a camp?

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    Questions To Which the Answer is No, an ongoing series:

    Generative AI - Can it actually help with the day-to-day technical work of a practising engineer?

    The upcoming Autumn Panel Discussion hosted by the UCD Engineering Graduates Association (EGA) will take place on Tuesday, November 19, 2024, at ESBā€™s Headquarters. This event will explore several pressing topics at the intersection of engineering and artificial intelligence. Attendees will gain insights into current trends in AI, particularly the latest advancements in generative AI tools and platforms. The discussion will feature case studies that highlight the successful integration of AI into real-world engineering processes, offering practical examples of its applications. Additionally, the panel will address the essential skills that engineers need to effectively incorporate AI into their workflows, providing guidance on upskilling for the future. The event will conclude with a Q&A session, allowing participants to engage directly with the panelists and delve deeper into the ethical considerations surrounding AI in engineering.

    No, not software engineers, engineer engineers. Yikes!

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    unrelated but weā€™re all gonna get so many of trumpist brown-nosed sleazes as ambassadors now

    it looks likely that we out there in poland might get georgette mosbacher as next ambassador. she was more of an lobbyist going hard against eu digital tax, but thereā€™s much more

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      I am left thinking that many people here in the US are going to have a hard time accepting that having this person, at this stage in his life, as the national figurehead will do permanent damage to the USā€™ prestige and global standing. Doesnā€™t matter if Reagan was sundowning, media was more controlled then and his handlers were there to support the institution of the presidency at least as much as they were there to support a narcissist. In 2016, other countries could look at Trump as a temporary aberration and wait him out. This time, itā€™s clear that the US is no longer a reliable partner.

      An intentional sacrifice of the USā€™ role as head manager of the global economy is not nearly as well thought out as the people pushing it think it is.

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        plenty of them will just shrug it off as ā€œcommie propagandaā€ and will ignore reality as long as they can receive coast to coast am, then blame dems for the bits they cannot ignore anymore

        bonus points to former hilaryā€™s consultants (or so i hear) running current campaign deciding that going to the right (who the fuck likes cheney?) was a good idea

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    hackernews having a normal one (EDIT: Then things got worse)

    HN Title: The evolution of nepotism in academia, 1088-1800

    In the top comments:

    dash2 55 minutes ago | next [ā€“]

    Hereā€™s an interesting extract:

    We find evidence of nepotism for 5ā€“6.6% of scholarsā€™ sons in Protestant and for 29.4% in Catholic universities and academies. Catholic institutions relied more heavily on intra-family human capital transfers. We show that these differences partly explain the divergent path of Catholic and Protestant universities after the Reformation.

    This relates to an important paper providing evidence that indeed Protestantism was associated with scientific progress: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4389708

    red016 3 minutes ago | parent | next [ā€“]

    iā€™d be more interested in jewish numbers than protestant or catholic

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    Atlantic writer: ā€œbetter dubble down on Twitter huhuhuhhuhā€

    https://archive.is/OtYCo

    Calls to disengage from X, now that Elon Musk has turned it into a white-supremacist haven, certainly have a moral appeal. But if this election showed how difficult it is to meaningfully ā€œdeplatformā€ speakers you disagree with, it also demonstrated the danger of ignoring the platforms where they speak. Unfortunately, the only way to change whatā€™s happening in an echo chamber may be to add your own noise.

    This is your periodic reminder that Steve Jobsā€™ widow owns that toilet-paper factory. And that they still pump out hot new singles from hitmakers like David Frum and, occasionally, my personal favorite, Eliot ā€œGW Bush Did Nothing Wrongā€ Cohen.

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      Story from .nl, after Wilders ā€œwonā€ (he got the biggest share of the votes, and quite a lot more than before) the election last year, instantly the amount of horrible posts towards visible muslim people massively intensified (other groups, women, leftwingers and lgbt people (and the various intersections) also got worse replies (which on Dutch twitter always was bad already)). So this advice is so dumb, yes expose your people to more risk and potential burnout. And guess what, as we are a year in and most of Dutch twitter is still on twitter. It doesnt help. (And I cant tell, as switching to bsky has made me realize just how much of a breath of fresh air it is, but to me it feels twitter has gotten worse, but that is more likely explained by me getting better).

      E: there is also the ā€˜they need us more than we need themā€™ factor. I have not seen rightwing Dutch trolls on bksy yet, Catturd however made the jump (and was promptly banned by everybody).

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      what in the absolute fuck

      ā€œyou shouldnā€™t do anything that works to resist fascismā€ is going to be the neoliberal siren call for 4+ years, isnā€™t it

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        It doesnā€™t even fit with the axioms of market logic! If the platform in question has terrible content moderation, primarily generates revenue from profoundly repulsive people, and was intentionally bought out to be used as the central propaganda organ for a destructive political movementā€¦ why wouldnā€™t you leave?! Dude just doesnā€™t want to admit heā€™s too lazy to redo his follows elsewhere

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        Unfortunately, the only way to change whatā€™s happening in an echo chamber may be to add your own noise.

        imagine writing something like this and considering yourself to be the adult in the room. just a big ol politics understander, writing and writing and none of it means a fucking thing. you get up every morning and somehow the dread doesnā€™t make you collapse back into bed.

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          I feel like we could solve a lot of the leftā€™s problems in the US by building a time machine and giving 13 year old Aaron Sorkin about 10 lbs of 2024 weed.

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        Liberals: vote for us, we are diet fascism, we are the lesser evil! We reduce harm!

        Itā€™s been the siren call for the last 400 years.

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      My radicalisation just continues and deepens.

      What deplatforming actually happened that this writer is referring to? ā€œWe didnā€™t deplatform anyone. Therefore deplatforming badā€ ???

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        ā€œweā€™ve tried nothing, and nothing is working!ā€ this is going to be such a common refrain

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          God and thinking about it even a little bit:

          Of course deplatforming works, you fuckface! Why did Elon buy twitter if not to secure a platform? It is surprising you managed to write anything at all, you stupid goblin.

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    Orange site envrionmentalism:

    Lawns are functional though, they arenā€™t just a status symbol.

    I grew up with a mossy front yard, and I have clover and ferns in my current yards to compete with grasses; there are better options, my dude.

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      Weā€™re anti-grass lawns now? Fuck yes. I knew this place had potential.

      Iā€™m no landscaper so donā€™t quiz me on the options, but grass is in the lowest tier option for things to fill outdoor space with.

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        lawns in addition to other things are fine, but also all the stuff self said applies pretty hard

        weā€™re lucky in ZA that weā€™re pretty good with getting a lot of this stuff out, which Iā€™m often pretty happy about, but thatā€™s an incident of geography (and personal location)

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      I was going to call them friendless losers who never had company over to play cornhole, have a bonfire, or lounge around on a hot summer day getting doused by a sprinkler while drinking beers because they are repugnant socially awkward cave trolls who are bitter and jealous of people who use their picturesque lawns.

      But I would never do that because that is neither civil nor polite.

      dang hates this one weird trick you can use to be an asshole in spite of the orange siteā€™s civility rules

      also what is that list of activities? did ChatGPT generate this? grass is required to play beep boop normal human games like cornhole now? youā€™re ā€œhaving a bonfireā€ on grass and not in something normal like a firepit thatā€™s safer on rocks or concrete? youā€™re just laying down on the grass, where the dog shits, slowly getting drunk and incredibly itchy from the grass as a sprinkler douses you?

      picturesque lawns

      oh maybe thatā€™s it, the only people Iā€™ve ever met with picturesque lawns are wealthy and wealthy people ainā€™t fucking normal

      Or you could just not water it, not fertilize it, not pesticide it and simply run the mower over it whenever the assorted vegetation (which will be mostly grass) exceeds a certain height.

      It wonā€™t look ā€œnice neighborhoodā€ nice but itā€™ll still be fine.

      i love when my yard is a giant mud patch rimmed by yellow with an occasional glimmer of green when the crabgrass blooms

      the orange site is absolutely populated by the type of shithead whoā€™s proud to be on their HOAā€™s board

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        having a lawn is so easy first just hire a gardener to come every week, second live in a place where tap waterā€™s inexpensive

        motherfuckers

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      They can be, but they can also be a social and recreational space.

      Your mumā€™s a social and recreational space, but I donā€™t see you going to bat for her despite being more useful

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    Ah, copilot is so extremely popular that MS has decided to bundle it into O365 for free a moderate ā€œdepends by regionā€ price increase

    Iā€™m sure thatā€™ll totally make people want it even more! hordes at the gate!

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    todayā€™s a fucking trip and a half

    in a mall I saw some Honor laptop[0] ads with ā€œAIā€ pitch sauce slathered all over it

    later walking between art galleries I saw a roadsign ad for a property sales company promising ā€œmore effective strategies using AIā€ (more effective strategies forā€¦ sellingā€¦ housesā€¦? I guessā€¦? (x up for doubt))

    and now I get this shit in my mailbox from someone who absolutely purchased a dataset with this address in it:

    From: Ai Everything GLOBAL <newsletter@event.aieverythingglobal.com>
    Subject: Join the AI Eliteā€”G42, TII, DIEZ, Dell & More!
    

    [0] - I didnā€™t even know they were in ZA, but nope, 2-floor hanging banners and ads allllll over elevator doors and shit

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    Personal rant: in my ongoing search for a replacement for ProtonMail after they pivoted to AI had me almost sign up with Tuta because, hey, they looked good and were on my radar originally anyway, when I found out that they do not offer any IMAP/SMTP access at all.

    I mean, I get it, their whole thing is privacy and, yes, storing mail locally on my machine kinda undermines the idea of strong and impenetrable E2E encryption, but I should at least have the choice like I do with Proton Bridge. Because without SMTP Tuta is completely unusable for git send-email. I mean, yes, technically I could copy-paste the output of format-patch into the web client but, first, I am lazy and donā€™t wanna do that, and second, from my experience it rarely works anyway because the clients do some encoding crap so that git am doesnā€™t eat it without cleanup.

    Meh. I guess I have to keep looking.

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      huh, I just switched to Tuta and thatā€™s a very good point ā€” there isnā€™t even a command line mail client, much less an IMAP bridge. the official word from a couple years ago is ā€œwrite it yourself but we donā€™t support automated emailā€ which is several kinds of wrong

      so far Iā€™m not hating Tuta but itā€™s definitely much jankier than Proton. Iā€™m kinda surprised Iā€™ve heard good things about Tutaā€™a UI compared with Proton ā€” itā€™s faster, but functionality so far varies from somewhat barebones to mildly broken

      no regrets on the switch on my end so far though, but this might come to bite me at some point. I wonder if a dedicated transactional mail provider could alleviate some of the pain? I can DM you a recommendation for a good one if that seems like itā€™d be handy

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        Thanks, I thought about something like that as well, but figured itā€™d be more hassle in the long run. I like to keep my mail in one basket.

        But honestly, I feel like there just isnā€™t a good solution anyway. Email comes from simpler times and any encryption is bolted on and either awkward to use or has some problems with functionality. Hell, even Protonā€™s bridge was a pain to get running properly with send-email because for some reason it insisted on reformatting outgoing mails. I honestly wonder if I should even bother at this point, because most of the stuff I use email for isnā€™t even private. Itā€™s mostly corporate communication and mailing lists which are public anyway. All private communication goes over other channels (and some of which are arguably even worse than email, like Discord).

        Not saying that this is the conclusion everyone should come to and YMMV, but spending the last weeks combing through the email landscape this feels like the realization Iā€™m starting to arrive at, because I want my email to just work.

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          thatā€™s absolutely valid, and Iā€™ve come to effectively the same conclusion: good encrypted email is effectively a different protocol (one which, as of now, is proton-to-proton and tuta-to-tuta only) and should be treated as one. daily unencrypted email is a legacy protocol that can effectively be handled client-side as a different account.

          encrypted mail should be federated, possibly with something like activitypub (though I donā€™t have a good solution for attachments), but every time I float this I get a lot of very angry feedback about how I shouldnā€™t propose a new email standard without solving spam first, whatever solving spam means. some of the people giving feedback then float solutions that are basically warmed-over hashcash and then I stop listening.

          the difference between modern webmail and what activitypub already does is very thin ā€” a lot of it is intent, UI (emailā€™s focused on long messages and potentially long threads), and features like attachments going from best-effort priority to crucial. thereā€™s absolutely room in the world for better email ā€” I just believe that internally, itā€™ll look closer to e2e ActivityPub with something like Soatokā€™s federated keyserver concept on top, rather than the shitty half baked shit we do now to make PGP work with email

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    ā€œbrb going to make an AI blockbuster called ā€˜Zennos Parhadoxā€™ starring Dwynne Johnson and Rebeca Fernugson and then weā€™ll see whoā€™s laughing.ā€ ā€“ Dick Trauma, SA

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      Wild that ā€œWe left OpenAI and founded out own company with alignment and safetyā€-Anthropic decides to get into bed with Palantir of all companies.

      Itā€™s almost as if their whole safety shtick is complete bullshit. Hmm.

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      1. Buy a defense ai system with a cool GUI but that absolutely doesnā€™t fucking work

      2. PRESS RELEASES

      3. Leave the source code+model weights somewhere that your enemies will find it, preferably next to a big data pipe

      4. Watch them copy it and try to use it on the battlefield

      5. lol

      Just have to avoid naming it something that would give the game away like WIM-PLOW or whatever