• Andromxda 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Yeah why would anyone pay 700 bucks for a highly restricted device, that can’t even play games online without an additional subscription. Just get a Steam Deck, which costs less, is portable, doesn’t require subscriptions, and basically works like a full PC.

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      I have a Steam Deck and a PS5 that I will be replacing with the Pro when it ships. So to give you an answer: I’m not going to be plugging a Steam Deck into a 4k 65" OLED TV with VRR. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Steam Deck, and I also enjoy PC gaming when mouse and keyboard makes sense, but sitting on the couch in font of a giant responsive display with amazing colors is by far how I enjoy gaming the most.

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          Because to me it is a worthwhile upgrade. If you compare the image quality in FF7 Rebirth specifically in the 60 FPS modes the differences are significant. The new ray tracing features in F1 2024 for the pro also made a big impact on how that game looks.

          In general, I don’t like gaming at 30 FPS and I’ve been noticing that developers don’t always do a good job with their choices when dialing it back to get 60 FPS. For example, I’m holding off on buying Black Myth Wukong because their performance mode looks flawed right now, and I don’t want to play it at 30 either.

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            Quick question though, why not buy a PC and link it to the tv? The features you’re talking about are also on the PC and you’re not limited to their proprietary services and file formats.

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              Not sure why people are beating up on @[email protected] for saying his opinion. Different people value different things.

              I think I can answer your question though. Buying a console is a plug and play experience. Building a PC is not. Not everyone has the time, the patience, or the technical experience required to purchase compatible components, assemble the machine, and install the various software.

              Anyone that’s ever bought a prepared meal has overpaid in comparison to acquiring the ingredients, prepping them, and cooking the dish. It’s worth the price to do so because I sure as hell don’t want to spend time making a bowl of French onion soup.

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                I actually get that. Was just curious. My girlfriend uses a PS5 and loves it tons whilst I game on PC. Both totally understand each other haha

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            I can’t even imagine telling my child self playing Joust in the arcade about people like you…

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            60 fps is good enough to justify the upgrade? Could build a PC capable of well beyond that for not much more…

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              Yes, 30 FPS at best just makes my inputs feel laggy, but usually it also strains my eyes and has given me actual migraines. Bloodborne was the worst offender because of the need to focus on choppy animations of bosses.

              I’ve already answered the PC build question, but to summarize: any comparable build to a PS 5 Pro that uses new components from brands that make reliable hardware typically cost over one grand USD. Also most people that I see recommend these builds typically don’t even bother including peripherals like a controller and kb+m in the cost. Not to mention that by going into the budget gaming PC route will also generally require additional time to tinker with graphic settings in each game to try and get adequate performance.

              Anyway, I’ve done this before, I had a higher end PC in my living room hooked up to my TV a few years ago. The experience wasn’t terrible, but also wasn’t as good as just having a console where everything is designed to be operated via controller. So honestly I don’t see the point of paying extra money for something that seems like the worse option for me.

              I’ll be building a higher end gaming PC with a 480hz OLED display in mind next year, but yeah, I won’t be using that from a couch.

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                Gotcha. For sure the jump from 30fps to 60fps is a lot more significant than a jump from 60 to 120+

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        You can use a controller on PC and also connect to this display with the same responsiveness and colors. I always thought consoles were for the exclusive games and to play with friends, not performance or graphics.

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          You can use a controller on PC and also connect to this display with the same responsiveness and colors.

          I’ve done this in the past when I had a desktop near my living room TV. I don’t these days and the experience wasn’t good enough to justify rearranging my house rather than simply buying a console.

          Also, to get ahead of the people that are already twitching at the opportunity to inform me that I could build a dedicated PC just to keep next to my TV for gaming: Sure, but the cost of building one with similar performance to the pro, while using new components and avoiding Ali Express brands that may start a house fire one random evening, is over 1 grand at a minimum.

          I always thought consoles were for the exclusive games and to play with friends, not performance or graphics.

          Please, by all means, go email Sony and tell them to not bother with PS6. Tell Nintendo to drop what they’re doing with the Switch 2. Us console gamers simply don’t care about performance or graphic upgrades. Surely they should have learned this by now.

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            Makes sense, didn’t mean to yuck your yum. Just seemed like your reasons were surmountable with cheaper alternatives and an additional system seemed to me like a large cost. But you want the console, and it seems a solution that better fits your wants/needs.

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      For Europe it’s 800 EUR + disc drive + vertical stand, almost 1k in total. No thanks, Sony 🤡

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      The specs on the Steamdeck are pretty underwhelming, and the cost of storage upgrades is outrageous. I was thinking about buying one yesterday, so I just looked at all the specs. It’s due for a second version, but that’s not coming for at least another year. So, I decided to build a mATX computer instead. But I don’t care at all about the portable aspect, so I’m probably not their target demographic.

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    A quick look on eBay suggests the only people buying them seen are scalpers.

    Hope they all get fucked on this one.

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      This is a bit off topic, but it made me nostalgic. My first argument on reddit over a decade ago was with someone, either a scalper or a contrarian, trying to argue that scalpers provided a useful service that made things more fair, rather than assholes creating scarcity so they could profit selling a solution to a problem they themselves create.

      So yeah, I hope they all get fucked on this one, too.

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        Oh they all say this shit, must be included in the standard issue dickhead guide book

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      This is why I like seeing new tech with a high launch price. Even if I want one, I’m patient, and it would be worth seeing a bunch of scalpers get fucked from just assuming that initial demand will set the price even higher.

      I hope they thought they had to wait in an uncomfortable line to grab the ones they got and that the store only offers exchanges and no refunds.

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          Oh yeah, not just for others who want it but also to cause max pain to scalpers when others can get what they want to sell for cheaper than the scalpers paid for it in the first place. If the price stays the same, there’s a good chance the scalpers will be able to at least cut their losses by selling at a slight discount (or even at par if they find the right location for a “you could have this in your hands right now instead of having to go to the store” kinda deal).

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      uh what are you even talking about?? It has block-buster console sellers like Concord

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        I can’t wait to buy movies from Sony only to have them invalidated a few years from now.

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      C’mon, PS5 has great PS4 games, like Horizon, God of War, The Last of Us, …

      Tap for spoiler

      \s

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      I think everyone should ditch consoles too, but I don’t understand the “no games” comment, I’ve played through Elden Ring, Returnal, Final Fantasy 16, Final Fantasy 7 Intergrade, Ratchet & Clank, Gran Turismo 7…

      There are clearly games for it, what gives?

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        There are only like 2 or 3 games that can only be played on a PS5 and nowhere else. Exclusives are one of, if not the most important part of getting a console, IMO. Like, why would I get this specific console if I could get any console or a PC and play the same games? I’m either going to get what’s cheapest or go full bells and whistles and build a beefy PC.

        Most of the PS5’s exclusive games are actually just PS4 games and don’t even have the enhancement features offered by the PS5’s hardware. If you have a PS4, there’s really no reason to upgrade to a PS5 unless you really wanna play the Demon Souls remaster or Astro Bot. Out of all the games you mentioned, only GT7 (and Retrograde tho I don’t know if that is timed or completely exclusive; they pulled some fucky-wucky with that one) is exclusive. All the others are multiplatform.

        That’s also why the PS5 Pro is just dumb. There’s not much taking advantage of the current hardware, and they wanna sell you more hardware to go underutilized ?

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          All that stuff about exclusive games just sounds like sunk cost fallacy. I don’t understand how a consumer benefits in any way from exclusive titles, or how a consumer is harmed from having access to multiplatform games.

          If someone gets a PS5 for a PS5 exclusive game, why wouldn’t they want the option to play other games on there as well?

          I do ultimately agree with you though, the PS5 Pro is dumb - and neither the regular PS5 nor any Xbox seems worthwhile compared to PC gaming

          • It’s gotta have some reason to buy it. If it’s not the price, and it’s not the power, it’s the library. Sunk costs don’t even come into play for someone who is looking to get a game machine trying to decide what to buy.

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    Nobody wants to pay $310 ($80 for a disc drive, $30 for a stand) more for a machine that looks better if you pause the game and squint hard.

    Here’s a good example:

    Can’t see it? The PS5 Pro has added reflections on Venom’s back and right shoulder. The texture on the door of the Jeep is marginally improved.

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    I am just going to wait until the prices go down in the fall and there is still plenty left and then buy a PC instead.

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    I would have paid $700 for the Pro if it came with everything the 30th anniversary edition had, and maybe a little more if it also included the Portal.

    Unfortunately, Sony can’t stop tripping over their own incompetence and limited the units to 12,300 for a reason that can be simplified to be: “money.” So it sold out in less than a minute to scalper’s bots and can now be found on eBay for five times the price.

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      I don’t get the hype for the anniversary edition.

      I haven’t heard it would launch, and one day I saw people offering 2000$ for one on a trade site. My only thought was “wow, glad im not a fucking idiot like these guys”.

      I sure might be stupid, but not that stupid.

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        It’s mainly the colors, but it came with some extras as well. And a paperclip.

        Like I said, about $300 overpriced even with the additional items and only hyped due to limited edition. How many times has Nintendo released a console in NES colors without making it limited? Just a ridiculous move by Sony.

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          I bought some SNES shells to put on my joy cons. Was pretty cheap and decent fun. Even switched to hall effect sticks.

          Didn’t even need Nintendo to produce them and sell them as a premium. eXtremeRate and probably many others let you make your own limited edition. As long as you don’t want any copyrighted trims like logos.

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    Why buy a console when for roughly the same price you could buy a PC that does everything the console does and more? Yeah $700 is an insane price for what is effectively a toy.

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      It’s about the same as the inflation-adjusted PS3 price, but here’s the thing: the PS3 had a difficult first couple of years. If not for the Red Ring of Death, Microsoft could have come out ahead that generation. One thing Sony is good at is capitalizing on its competitors’ mistakes, and combined with price reductions on later models, they pulled out a victory. Being >$750 inflation-adjusted dollars at launch wasn’t why it won.

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      Also $700 isn’t going to buy you much of a PC if you don’t have one already. Maybe mid spec 1080p.

      Not that I’m arguing for PC. I’m pro-console in most circumstances. Only for power modders, power gamers or power purchasers would I maybe argue that PC is the better route. Everyone else, console 100% (except this joke of a console).

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      Because PCs are worse for living room/controller gameplay, you have to deal with Windows or Linux, and many other factors?

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        I very much enjoy playing PC games with a controller on a big TV away from my desk. With an optical HDMI cable I’ve never had issues pushing 4k, 120hz, and HDR. Bluetooth mice and keyboards are incredibly common. And 8BitDo’s “Ultimate” controller has been really great over 2.4ghz.

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    The PS5 in general has just felt like a nebulous console. I don’t know if it’s just me not being as connected to console gaming anymore or what, but there’s no PS5 games that are “must play” or anything that I’ve seen/read/heard hype about that has made me really interested. Partly there was the Covid years where it was apparently facing shortages and during that I just switched my mind off to the idea that I’d ever buy one. It’s been out for years now though, but nothing about it makes me care to move on from our PS4 that’s still chugging along.

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    $700 for a console that’s barely even better and in some ways is worse. What a deal!

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    It’s not the price point. Most of the people who’d be in the market for one wouldn’t buy it because it doesn’t take discs. When I bought my PS5, I specifically bought the disc version. So I’m not going to ‘upgrade’ to a machine that doesn’t have one and only really offers ‘improved performance’ as its main selling point. It just doesn’t make sense.

    If you’re new to the platform and are used to buying only digital, it might be more palatable. But as someone who’s been with Sony since the very first PlayStation: I’m gonna pass.

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        These days I just assume nothing’s playable offline. It’s not like my PS5 is ever offline anyway, so it’s not really a point of concern for me.

        The actual reason I like physical games is because they’re generally cheaper when they just release and get discounted far sooner than digital games.

        For example: Armored Core VI costs 69,99 euros on PS Store.

        An online game store here sells it for 19,99 brand new. That means I can buy a copy for myself, I can gift you copy, buy a third one to light on fire as a sacrifice to the gaming gods… and still have money left over for two frozen pizza’s.

        That’s why I like physical.

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      Did people get bitchy on the internet when they released the PS One, the PS2 slim, 5 generations of PS3, or the PS4 Pro? Or the Xbox One X, Xbox 360 E, the Switch OLED, 2DS, DS lite, Gameboy Advance SP, Sega Genesis 2, Sega Genesis 3, Sega Saturn 2? I certainly don’t remember this much discourse back then. It’s like every gamer on the internet has collective amnesia about mid generation refreshes and how they have existed since the dawn of console gaming.

      Just as always - it’s probably not meant for you if you’re perfectly happy with your base model.

      And just like all those multitude of prior examples - no, they certainly will not release games that ONLY work on the mid cycle refresh device. Because that would be a really poor financial decision. And can you imagine the discourse if you had to buy a $700 console to replace your $500 console so you could play all the newest first party titles? On a device that has likely 4 years max before it is subplanted by the PS6? That would be a far more justified upset in my opinion.

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      I don’t know about recession, but I know I’ve hit a personal inflection point with prices where I’m just sick of the bullshit and only buy if absolutely necessary, or on sale.

      Everyone is so fucking greedy, everyone wants just 5 more dollars bro to the point where the consumerism has been driven out of me.

      I actually have money to buy shit, I just don’t want to anymore because nothing seems to correspond to its value anymore.

      A new car? 35 k for a fucking base kia, gtfo out with this shit.

      New phone? 1.2k for the same screen bullshit as the last 5 years.

      Same with this PS5, they are pricing this shit like it’s lifesaving medicine, when in reality it’s just shit no-one really needs

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        35k for a base Kia? Hell naw, I bought a fully loaded 2024 hyundai elentra hybrid for 34k out the door. Base Kia K4 is 22k plus tax title and reg. That’s like almost a third less than what I paid lol

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      We also don’t give a shit.

      If you own a PS5 already, it doesn’t offer you much and if you own a PC, it offers you less.

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        I have a PS5 with the disc drive, which I paid extra for. I don’t see any reason to get this when it doesn’t even come with that. The performance of the base PS5 has been very good. If it’s just a hardware boost, I don’t really need it. I don’t get the purpose of upgrading. The battlefield games I play run like butter, and the new titles, like Dead Space that I’ve played also run great.

        This just runs better? Not necessary to me.

        And I do own a gaming PC. I just prefer having a dedicated game console for a couple good reasons.

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        you did not just make a whole comment responding to one single downvote

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        Not the down voter, but as a day 1 PS5 buyer who could afford the pro I will just say they didn’t offer any value to me. I’ve played 1 game on the PS5 that I couldn’t have on my base PS4 (Demon’s Souls) and I could play the original of that on my PS3. They promised all of this great stuff on the PS5 and under delivered. Why would I put down the $700 why would I spend that when I hardly even use my PS5 and even when I do I could’ve just used my PS4?

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        I’m not arguing for or against being a recession. But the sales for this console don’t prove or deny a recession, they just show that either no one actually wants this thing or Sony has managed to misjudge demand.

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    This happened with the ps3, the chief at playstation at the time said we wouldnt be able to find them at retail. My friends and I made some fun snapping pics of them sitting on shelves.

    We were way into the game news scene at the time.

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      The PS3 also had damn few games to play at launch. If it wasn’t for Sony’s decision to ship it with a BD-ROM drive it probably would have been a total flop. Home theater nerds saved the PS3.

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        And I’m thankful for that because, when the promotion was right, I bought one. Warhawk, MAG, Demons souls and KZ2. What a great generation of games.

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    This makes no sense. Why would a company want their product to be sold out? The goal is to balance supply and demand. So they SHOULDN’T sell out. It’s not a limited edition product or anything. This post is sensationalized as fuck.

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      I think they’re implying a comparison to the PS4. It was notoriously difficult to get a PS4 for months after it’s release because it was constantly sold out

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      He’s saying that it’s a good thing it hasn’t sold out yet, allowing it to have plenty of supply for Christmas season. It’s a good thing due to the PS5 previously being sold out everywhere last Christmas.

      While I think it’s still too high a price point for me personally, it’s at least a logical increase in price because supply and demand has caused it to be increased.