[Bug] "This helps protect our community." · Issue #4734 · iv-org/invidious
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Update 21/09/2024: #4734 (comment) EDIT by @unixfox: The Invidious team is aware of this issue. It appears that it affects all the software using YouTube. Please refrain from commenting if you have...

cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/22423685

EDIT: For those who are too lazy to click the link, this is what it says

Hello,

Sad news for everyone. YouTube/Google has patched the latest workaround that we had in order to restore the video playback functionality.

Right now we have no other solutions/fixes. You may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home) but on datacenter IP addresses Invidious won’t work anymore.

If you are interested to install Invidious at home, we remind you that we have a guide for that here: https://docs.invidious.io/installation/..

This is not the death of this project. We will still try to find new solutions, but this might take time, months probably.

I have updated the public instance list in order to reflect on the working public instances: https://instances.invidious.io. Please don’t abuse them since the number is really low.

Feel free to discuss this politely on Matrix or IRC.

  • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
    1414·
    2 months ago

    Not just invidious, they’ve just de facto blocked video embedding:

    If you’re wondering how a viable competitor could arise, other companies needing a video hosting solution that they can rely on to run their storefronts is a perfect use case. This is the Humble Bundle storefront, and they could pretty easily spin up a peertube instance. If that became commonplace, it could be one way for peertube to become ubiquitous.

    EDIT: This is related to my VPN I believe, but storefronts still aren’t going to be happy if they can’t rely on their storefronts working for everyone.

    • Mwa@lemm.eeEnglish
      153·
      2 months ago

      yo rainworld i used to have a friend that was a fan of that game

    • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
      8·
      2 months ago

      Professional hosting for business use is not hard, and fairly common even. But these make up a tiny fraction of YouTube videos, and they mostly post there to get organic growth and be suggested to people already watching YouTube.

      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
        52·
        2 months ago

        Sure but it’s really common to see embedded youtube videos on storefronts, and if storefronts en masse abandoned it that’s one more piece of the market that youtube has lost.

        They can’t keep locking it down and not lose market share, is my point. They’re enshittifying so much, so fast, and eventually there will be a tipping point.

        • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
          8·
          2 months ago

          They can’t keep locking it down and not lose market share, is my point

          They can very much afford to lose a tiny amount of marketshare in exchange for a massive increase in ad and subscription revenue, is my point.

          • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
            34·
            2 months ago

            “Massive increase” I think needs a source.

            And they rely on the network effect to be the de facto standard video hoster. Every little bit of that network that they carve off while they’re enshittifying brings them closer to the critical point where people can afford to ditch them.

            The logic that they can “afford” to lose marketshare is exactly what will make them keep losing it until people migrate en masse and they lose all of their marketshare.

            • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
              4·
              2 months ago

              “Massive increase” I think needs a source.

              Don’t have one. Pure speculation. Much like yours, I assume? Unless you have a source to the contrary?

              How often do you see professional videos on the trending page on YT?

              • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
                14·
                2 months ago

                Source for what? The network effect? I gave you a link, you can read.

                And youtube is enshittifying.

                These are both well-established effects. My sourcing is finished now. It beats your “pure speculation” unless you have something else you want to add.

                • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  Source for what?

                  This:

                  They’re enshittifying so much, so fast, and eventually there will be a tipping point.

                  or this:

                  Every little bit of that network that they carve off while they’re enshittifying brings them closer to the critical point where people can afford to ditch them.

                  or this:

                  The logic that they can “afford” to lose marketshare is exactly what will make them keep losing it until people migrate en masse and they lose all of their marketshare.

                  And youtube is enshittifying.

                  Yes, you’ve said that several times.

                  These are both well-established effects.

                  The fact that it exists is not evidence that it’s taking place here.

                  My sourcing is finished now.

                  LOL no.

                  • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
                    11·
                    2 months ago

                    Oh so you want sources for literally every tiny claim with no evidence that you’ve engaged at all, but you’re sticking with “pure speculation” for your claims and you’re fine with that? Just checking.

            • Petter1@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              2 months ago

              Youtube is now big enough for not caring about the network effect.

              1. Start companies
              2. make a free product with network effect
              3. gain a lot of users
              4. now that you have your user base, user growth is not as relevant anymore and therefore network effect is not needed anymore
              5. enshitificate for more ad revenue, more tracking and direct subscriptions
              6. profit (finally after decades)

              Capitalism is just fucked 🤷🏻🏴‍☠️

              • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
                1·
                2 months ago

                What? No, the network effect is why they have a dominant position. The network effect comes from their user base.

                Enshittification is how platforms die, it’s not a winning business model, it’s just an outworking of capitalism’s contradictions.

                The way you wrote that shows you don’t understand the principles at all.

                I could explain further but you’d have to express interest.

      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
        4·
        2 months ago

        Could be, maybe it’s intermittent, but the more times they try to lock this shit down and it stops working for storefronts, the more unreliable it becomes.

        What percentage of visits can they afford to have this error happen before they seek alternatives? If it were my business and I didn’t know how many customers were closing the store page because the video didn’t play and they lost interest, I would be immediately looking for an alternative.

        EDIT: Still broken for me. I can fix it by turning off my VPN, but storefronts are going to want to sell to everyone, including the VPN users.

      • TriflingToad@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        is that a possible workaround? Also, a tip from my school trying to block YouTube (idk if it applies here) is that you can ‘add to queue’ to where it plays in the corner then there’s a button to make it bigger.

    • dan@upvote.auEnglish
      2·
      2 months ago

      other companies needing a video hosting solution that they can rely on to run their storefronts is a perfect use case.

      Many companies use Vimeo for this.

    • flames5123@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      I watch embedded videos all the time. Literally hundreds this weekend. Embedded is not “de facto blocked”.

      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        Well I now can’t unless I disable my VPN. Storefronts would probably like VPN users to be able to use their stores, in which case they might be more interested in an alternative.