[Bug] "This helps protect our community." · Issue #4734 · iv-org/invidious
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Update 21/09/2024: #4734 (comment) EDIT by @unixfox: The Invidious team is aware of this issue. It appears that it affects all the software using YouTube. Please refrain from commenting if you have...

cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/22423685

EDIT: For those who are too lazy to click the link, this is what it says

Hello,

Sad news for everyone. YouTube/Google has patched the latest workaround that we had in order to restore the video playback functionality.

Right now we have no other solutions/fixes. You may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home) but on datacenter IP addresses Invidious won’t work anymore.

If you are interested to install Invidious at home, we remind you that we have a guide for that here: https://docs.invidious.io/installation/..

This is not the death of this project. We will still try to find new solutions, but this might take time, months probably.

I have updated the public instance list in order to reflect on the working public instances: https://instances.invidious.io. Please don’t abuse them since the number is really low.

Feel free to discuss this politely on Matrix or IRC.

  • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
    8·
    1 month ago

    They can’t keep locking it down and not lose market share, is my point

    They can very much afford to lose a tiny amount of marketshare in exchange for a massive increase in ad and subscription revenue, is my point.

    • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
      34·
      1 month ago

      “Massive increase” I think needs a source.

      And they rely on the network effect to be the de facto standard video hoster. Every little bit of that network that they carve off while they’re enshittifying brings them closer to the critical point where people can afford to ditch them.

      The logic that they can “afford” to lose marketshare is exactly what will make them keep losing it until people migrate en masse and they lose all of their marketshare.

      • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
        4·
        1 month ago

        “Massive increase” I think needs a source.

        Don’t have one. Pure speculation. Much like yours, I assume? Unless you have a source to the contrary?

        How often do you see professional videos on the trending page on YT?

        • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
          14·
          1 month ago

          Source for what? The network effect? I gave you a link, you can read.

          And youtube is enshittifying.

          These are both well-established effects. My sourcing is finished now. It beats your “pure speculation” unless you have something else you want to add.

          • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
            1·
            1 month ago

            Source for what?

            This:

            They’re enshittifying so much, so fast, and eventually there will be a tipping point.

            or this:

            Every little bit of that network that they carve off while they’re enshittifying brings them closer to the critical point where people can afford to ditch them.

            or this:

            The logic that they can “afford” to lose marketshare is exactly what will make them keep losing it until people migrate en masse and they lose all of their marketshare.

            And youtube is enshittifying.

            Yes, you’ve said that several times.

            These are both well-established effects.

            The fact that it exists is not evidence that it’s taking place here.

            My sourcing is finished now.

            LOL no.

            • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
              11·
              1 month ago

              Oh so you want sources for literally every tiny claim with no evidence that you’ve engaged at all, but you’re sticking with “pure speculation” for your claims and you’re fine with that? Just checking.

              • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
                2·
                1 month ago

                Oh so you want sources for literally every tiny claim

                Bruh. You were the one asking for sources… I was simply establishing the fact that neither of us had them.

                • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
                  11·
                  1 month ago

                  That’s not how that works. I told you the point I had a problem with and wanted sourced, and you admitted it was pure speculation.

                  If you are skeptical about anything specific I’m saying, you can ask for the same thing. You didn’t, you just said I hadn’t sourced anything, which wasn’t true, I gave you links so you could educate yourself, and since you’re still confused on what any of it means, apparently you didn’t do that. When I asked you what you wanted specifically sourced, you named everything, which is as pointless as naming nothing.

                  This is presumably because you don’t actually care about sources, you were just embarrassed that you had to admit it was pure speculation and you wanted to project that back at me.

                  If you’re actually curious to understand what I’m saying, you can ask a specific question, but you’re not doing that. If you’re just going to keep insisting that I’m pulling things out of my arse, you’re wrong, but I won’t keep replying.

                  • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
                    1·
                    1 month ago

                    That’s not how that works.

                    LOL What? That’s exactly how that works.

                    you admitted it was pure speculation.

                    Right. The question is why you can’t do the same.

                    If you are skeptical about anything specific I’m saying, you can ask for the same thing.

                    I already did.

                    you just said I hadn’t sourced anything, which wasn’t true, I gave you links so you could educate yourself

                    You linked to a general concept, and absolutely nothing about how that concept applies to the topic at hand.

                    When I asked you what you wanted specifically sourced, you named everything, which is as pointless as naming nothing.

                    LOL why won’t you just admit you don’t have any sources? This is so ridiculous. It’s okay.

                    you were just embarrassed that you had to admit it was pure speculation

                    If I was embarrassed I wouldn’t have admitted it at all. I probably would have accused you of not providing sources while sourcing random things I read about on Wikipedia while refusing any hint as to how they relate to the current conversation or back up my statements.

      • Petter1@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        1 month ago

        Youtube is now big enough for not caring about the network effect.

        1. Start companies
        2. make a free product with network effect
        3. gain a lot of users
        4. now that you have your user base, user growth is not as relevant anymore and therefore network effect is not needed anymore
        5. enshitificate for more ad revenue, more tracking and direct subscriptions
        6. profit (finally after decades)

        Capitalism is just fucked 🤷🏻🏴‍☠️

        • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
          1·
          1 month ago

          What? No, the network effect is why they have a dominant position. The network effect comes from their user base.

          Enshittification is how platforms die, it’s not a winning business model, it’s just an outworking of capitalism’s contradictions.

          The way you wrote that shows you don’t understand the principles at all.

          I could explain further but you’d have to express interest.