Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

Last weekā€™s thread

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

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    so mozilla decided to take the piss while begging for $10 donations:

    We know $10 USD may not seem like enough to reclaim the internet and take on irresponsible tech companies. But the truth is that as you read this email, hundreds of Mozilla supporters worldwide are making donations. And when each one of us contributes what we can, all those donations add up fast.

    With the rise of AI and continued threats to online privacy, the stakes of our movement have never been higher. And supporters like you are the reason why Mozilla is in a strong position to take on these challenges and transform the future of the internet.

    the rise of AI you say! wow that sounds awful, itā€™s so good Mozilla isnā€™t very recently notorious for pushing that exact thing on their users without their consent alongside other privacy-violating changes. what a responsible tech company!

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      We know $10 USD may not seem like enough to reclaim the internet with the browser we barely maintain and take on irresponsible tech companies that pay us vast sums of money. But the truth is that as you read this email, hundreds of Mozilla supporters worldwide havenā€™t realized weā€™re a charity racket dressed up as a browser who will spend all your money on AI and questionable browser plugins. And when each one of us contributes what we can, we can waste the money all the faster!

      With the rise of AI (youā€™re welcome, by the way, for the MDN AI assistant) and continued threats to online privacy like question like integrating a Mr. Robot Ad into firefox without proper code review, the stakes of our movement have never been higher. And marks supporters like you are the reason why Mozilla is in such a strong position to take on these challenges and transform the future of the internet in any way we know how ā€“ except by improving our browser of course that would be silly.

      (Iā€™m feeling extra cynical today)

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      upside of this: theyā€™ll get told why theyā€™re not getting many of those $10 donations

      downside of that (rejection): that could be exactly what one of the ghouls-in-chief there need to push some or other bullshit

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        the ability of Mozillaā€™s executives and PMs to ignore public outcry is incredible, but not exactly unexpected from a thoroughly corrupt non-profit

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        Gaslighting? What are you talking about? Thereā€™s no such thing as gaslighting. Maybe youā€™re going crazy

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    This quote flashbanged me a little

    When you describe your symptoms to a doctor, and that doctor needs to form a diagnosis on what disease or ailment that is, thatā€™s a next word prediction task. When choosing appropriate treatment options for said ailment, thatā€™s also a next word prediction task.

    From this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/1fkn0aw/chatgpt_is_still_very_far_away_from_making_a/lnx8k9l/

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      Instead of improving LLMs, they are working backwards to prove that all other things are actually word prediction tasks. It is so annoying and also quite dumb. No chemisty isnā€™t like coding/legos. The law isnā€™t invalid because it doesnā€™t have gold fringes and you use magical words.

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      None of these fucking goblins have learned that analogies arenā€™t equivalences!!! They break down!!! Auuuuuuugggggaaaaaaarghhhh!!!

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      The problem is that there could be any number of possible next words, and the available results suggest that the appropriate context isnā€™t covered in the statistical relationships between prior words for anything but the most trivial of tasks i.e. automating the writing and parsing of emails that nobody ever wanted to read in the first place.

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      This is just standard promptfondler false equivalence: ā€œwhen people (including me) speak, they just select the next most likely token, just like an LLMā€

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    Today in you canā€™t make this stuff up: SpaceX invades Cards Against Humanityā€™s crowdfunded southern border plot of land.

    Article (Ars Technica) Lawsuit with pictures (PDF)

    Reddit Comment with CAHā€™s email to backers

    The above Ars Technica article also lead me to this broader article (reuters) about SpaceXā€™s operations in Texas. I found these two sentences particularly unpleasant:

    County commissioners have sought to rechristen Boca Chica, the coastal village where Johnson remains a rare holdout, with the Musk-endorsed name of Starbase.

    At some point, former SpaceX employees and locals told Reuters, Starbase workers took down a Boca Chica sign identifying their village. They said workers also removed a statue of the Virgin of Guadalupe, an icon revered by the predominantly Mexican-American residents who long lived in the area.

    Reading all of this also somehow makes Elon Muskā€™s anti-immigrant tweets feel even worse to me than they already were.

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      Damn, 3 hours late to the party. Despite my disdain for their game, i can only recall enjoying CAHā€™s liberal antics.

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        CAH is definitely a game you only play with people youā€™ve known your whole life, isnā€™t it?

        Once played with randoms at a hacker con and almost died of embarrassment.

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      Considering the style of humor they have and Musk tries to show, I do wonder how hurt Musk is over all this. And only a matter of time before his sycophants create ā€˜CAH is dyingā€™ graphs and animal meme images with testicles.

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      I look forward to the ā€˜but we often disagreedā€™ non-apologies. With absolute lack of self reflection on how this helped push Sailer/Unz into the positions they are now. If we even get that.

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        Pinker: looking through my photo album where Iā€™m with people like Krauss and Epstein, shaking my head the whole time so the people on the bus know I disagree with them

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      Who could have predicted that liberalism would lead into scientific racism and then everything else that follows (mostly fascism)???

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        Surely ā€œscientificā€ is giving them far too much credit? I recall previously sneering at some quotes about skull sizes, including something like women keep bonking their heads?

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          I believe the term is not so much meant to convey properties of science upon them as to describe the particular strain of racist shitbaggery (which dresses itself in appears-science, much like what happens in/with scientism)

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            Oh, definitely. For clarity my intention was to riff off them and increase levels of disrespect towards racists. In hindsight, the question format doesnā€™t quite convey that.

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      Iā€™m mildly surprised at Krugman, since I never got a particularly racist vibe from him. (This is 100% an invitation to be corrected.) Annoyed that 1) I recognise so many names and 2) so many of the people involved are still influential.

      Interested in why Johnathan Marks is there though. Heā€™s been pretty anti-scientific racism if memory serves. I think heā€™s even complained about how white supremacists stole the term human biodiversity. Now, Iā€™m curious about the deep history of this group. Marks published his book in 1995 and this is a list from 1999, so was the transformation of the term into a racist euphemism already complete by then? Or is this discussion group more towards the beginning.

      Similarly, curious how out some of these people were at the time. E.g. I know that Harpending was seen as a pretty respectable anthropologist up until recently, despite his virulent racism. But Iā€™ve never been able to figure out how much his earlier racism was covert vs. how much 1970s anthropology accepted racism vs. how much this reflects his personal connections with key people in the early field of hunter-gatherer studies.

      Oh also, super amused that Pinker and MacDonald are in the group at the same time, since Iā€™m pretty sure Pinker denounced MacDonald for anti-Semitism in quite harsh language (which I havenā€™t seen mirrored when it comes to anti-black racism). MacDonaldā€™s another weird one. He defended Irving when Irving was trying to silence Lipstadt, but in Evanā€™s account, while he disagrees with MacDonald, he doesnā€™t emphasise that MacDonald is a raging anti-Semite and white supremacist. So, once again, interested in how covert vs. overt MacDonald was at the time.

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        Yeah, Krugman appearing on the roster surprised me too. While I havenā€™t pored over everything heā€™s blogged and microblogged, he hasnā€™t sent up red flags that I recall. E.g., here he is in 2009:

        Oh, Kay. Greg Mankiw looks at a graph showing that children of high-income families do better on tests, and suggests that itā€™s largely about inherited talent: smart people make lots of money, and also have smart kids.

        But, you know, thereā€™s lots of evidence that thereā€™s more to it than that. For example: students with low test scores from high-income families are slightly more likely to finish college than students with high test scores from low-income families.

        Itā€™s comforting to think that we live in a meritocracy. But we donā€™t.

        And in 2014:

        There are many negative things you can say about Paul Ryan, chairman of the House Budget Committee and the G.O.P.ā€™s de facto intellectual leader. But you have to admit that heā€™s a very articulate guy, an expert at sounding as if he knows what heā€™s talking about.

        So itā€™s comical, in a way, to see [Paul] Ryan trying to explain away some recent remarks in which he attributed persistent poverty to a ā€œculture, in our inner cities in particular, of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working.ā€ He was, he says, simply being ā€œinarticulate.ā€ How could anyone suggest that it was a racial dog-whistle? Why, he even cited the work of serious scholars ā€” people like Charles Murray, most famous for arguing that blacks are genetically inferior to whites. Oh, wait.

        I suppose itā€™s possible that he was invited to an e-mail list in the late '90s and never bothered to unsubscribe, or something like that.

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          The Wikipedia article on the Human Biodiversity Institute cites the term human biodiversity as becoming a euphemism for racism sometime in the late 90s and Marksā€™ book is from 1995, so there was apparently a pretty quick turnover. Which makes me wonder if hijacking or if independent invention. The article has a lot of sources, so I might mine them to see if thereā€™s a detailed timeline.

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    Every few years there is some new CS fad that people try to trick me into doing research in ā€” ā€œalgorithmsā€ (my actual area), then quantum, then blockchain, then AI.

    Wish this bubble would just fucking pop already.

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    Follow up for this post from the other day.

    Our DSO now greenlit the stupid Copilot integration because ā€œMicrosoft said itā€™s okayā€ (of course they did), and he also was on some stupid AI convention yesterday and whatever fucking happened there, heā€™s become a complete AI bro and is now preaching the Gospel of Altman that everyone whoā€™s not using AI will be obsolete in few years and we need to ADAPT OR DIE. Itā€™s the exact same shit CEO is spewing.

    He wants an AI that handles data security breaches by itself. He also now writes emails with ChatGPT even though just a week ago he was hating on people who did that. I sat with my fucking mouth open in that meeting and people asked me whether Iā€™m okay (Iā€™m not).

    I need to get another job ASAP or I will go clinically insane.

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      Iā€™m so sorry. the tech industry is shockingly good at finding people who are susceptible to conversion like your CEO and DSO and subjecting them to intense propaganda that unfortunately tends to work. for someone lower in the company like your DSO, thatā€™s a conference where theyā€™ll be subjected to induction techniques cribbed from cults and MLM schemes. I donā€™t know what they do to the executives ā€” I imagine it involves a variety of expensive favors, high levels of intoxication, and a variant of the same techniques yud used ā€” but it works instantly and produces someone who canā€™t be convinced theyā€™ve been fed a lie until it ends up indisputably losing them a ton of money

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        Yeah, I assume thatā€™s exactly what happened when CEO went to Silicon Valley to talk to ā€œimportant peopleā€. Despite being on a course to save money before, he dumped tens of thousands into AI infrastructure which hasnā€™t delivered anything so far and is suddenly very happy with sending people to AI workshops and conferences.

        But Iā€™m only half-surprised. Heā€™s somewhat known for making weird decisions after talking to people who want to sell him something. This time itā€™s gonna be totally different, of course.

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          The ā€œimportant peopleā€ line is a huge part of how the grift works and makes tech media partially responsible. Legitimizing the grift rather than criticizing it makes it easy for sales folks to push ā€œthe next big thing.ā€ And after all, donā€™t you want to be an important person?

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      He wants an AI that handles data security breaches by itself. He also now writes emails with ChatGPT

      He is the data security breach.

      E: Dropped a T. But hey, at least chatgpt uses SSL to communicate, so the databreach is now constrained to the ChatGPT trainingdata. So it isnā€™t that bad.

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      Itā€™s the exact same shit CEO is spewing.

      I have realized working at a corporation that a lot of employees will just mindlessly regurgitate the company message. And not in a ā€œI guess this is what we have to work onā€ way, but as if it replaced whatever worldview they had previously.

      Not quite sure what to make of this TBH.

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    Behind the Bastards is starting a series about Yarvin today. Always appreciate it when they wander into our bailiwick!

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    Orange site on pager bombs in Lebanon:

    If we try to do what we are best at here at HN, letā€™s focus the discussion on the technical aspects of it.

    It immediately reminded me of Stuxnet, which also from a technical perspective was quite interesting.

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      technical aspect seems to be for now that israeli secret services intercepted and sabotaged thousands of pagers to be distributed for hezbollah operatives, then blew them up all at once. it does look like small, reportedly less than 20g each explosive charge, but orange site accepted truth is that it was haxxorz blowing up lithium batteries. israelis already did exactly this thing but with phone in targeted assassination, and actual volume of such bomb would be tiny (about 10ml)

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    A lemmy-specific coiner today: https://awful.systems/post/2417754

    The dilema of charging the users and a solution by integrating blockchain to fediverse

    First, there will be a blockchain. There will be these cryptocurrencies:

    This guy is speaking like he is in Genesis 1

    I guess it would be better that only the instances can own instance-specific coins.

    You guess alright? You mean that you have no idea what youā€™re saying.

    if a user on lemmy.ee want to post on lemmy.world, then lemmy.ee have to pay 10 lemmy.world coin to lemmy.world

    What will this solve? If 2 people respond to each otherā€™s comments, the instance with the most valuable coin will win. What does that have to do with who caused the interaction?

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      Yes crypto instances, please all implement this and ā€œdisallowā€ everyone else from interacting with you! I promise weā€™ll be sad and not secretly happy and that youā€™ll make lots of money from people wanting to interact with you.

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      if a user on lemmy.ee want to post on lemmy.world, then lemmy.ee have to pay 10 lemmy.world coin to lemmy.world

      Note that you donā€™t need cryptocurrencies for this. I think Jaron Lanier talked about an idea like this ages ago, before people tried to put cryptocurrencies into everything.

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      1 post 6 comments joined 3 months ago, ā€œiā€™m naive to cryptoā€ ā€œI want to host an instance that serves as a competitive alternative to Facebook/Threads/X to the users in my country,ā€

      yeah he doesnā€™t even have to charge for interacting with him iā€™ll avoid him without it

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      so according to @liveuamap, the backstory here is that this is to get his name out of news about the WildBerries shooting in Moscow - where a battle for corporate control came down to gunshots - because he was backing one of the sides

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    What are the chances thatā€“somewhere deep in the bowels of Clearwater, FLā€“some poor soul has been ordered to develop an AI replicant of L. Ron Hubbard?

    There is a substantial corpus.

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      the only worthwhile use of LLMs: endlessly prompting the L Ron Hubbard chatbot with Battlefield Earth reviews as a form of acausal torture

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      Theyā€™ve had enough problems with the guy who claimed to be the reincarnation of LRH.

      I reckon Miscavige wouldnā€™t want a robo-LRH as it could challenge his power within the organization.

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    Meanwhile, over at the orange site they discuss a browser hack: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41597250 As in a hack that gave the attacker control over any user of this particular browser even if they only ever visited innocent websites, only needing to know their user ID.

    This is whatā€™s known in the biz as a company destroying level fuck-up. Iā€™m not sure this is particularly sneerable or not but Iā€™m just agog at how a company that calls themselves ā€œThe Browser Companyā€ can get the basic browser security model so incredibly wrong.

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      from their Wikipedia page Iā€™m starting to get why Iā€™ve never previously heard of The Browser Companyā€™s browser; itā€™s about a year old, itā€™s only for macOS, iOS, and Windows, and itā€™s just a chromium fork with a Swift UI overtop and extremely boring features you can get with plugins on Firefox without risking getting your entire life compromised (til Mozilla decides thatā€™s profitable, I suppose)

      Arc is designed to be an ā€œoperating system for the webā€, and integrates standard browsing with Arcā€™s own applications through the use of a sidebar. The browser is designed to be customisable and allows users to cosmetically change how they see specific websites.

      oh fuck off. so what makes something an operating system is:

      • the whole UI got condensed down into an awkward-looking sidebar that takes up more space instead of a top bar
      • you can re-style websites (which is the feature that enabled this hack, and which must be one of the most common browser plugins)
      • you can change the browserā€™s UI color
      • it can run ā€œits own applicationsā€? which sounds like a real security treat if theyā€™re running in the UI context of the browser. though to be honest I donā€™t see why these wouldnā€™t just be ordinary web apps, in which case itā€™s just a PWA feature
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      Hm, I donā€™t really see the sneer. They wrote a nasty bug, got notified and had a patch out for it within 36h. The remediations look reasonable too: better privacy, less firebase, actual security audits; even the bounty program is probably the right call (but they result in so many shit reports, itā€™s probably a wash).

      I gotta admit Iā€™m kind of partial to them and their browser? Itā€™s the non-Brave one that ships with an Adblocker by default, has much nicer UI than the existing ones, and the sync thing isnā€™t half bad (if it doesnā€™t sync security badness to all your instances, ouch). Sure they sound like a cult but I guess thatā€™s how browser dev gets funded since the 1990s.

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        OK I might have been a little too harsh, but the security requirements of a browser are higher than pretty much any other piece of software except perhaps for operating system code, emails, or text messages. As a serious player in the browser space it is not optional to get the basic security model / architecture right. This isnā€™t a matter of a bug slipping through (which can happen to anyone), but the system being designed wrong. Hopefully this company has learned their lesson, treats it with the care it deserves going forward, and bring some diversity to the browser market.

        Anyway that said letā€™s look at how this was a colossal bug:

        1. The browser required an account hosted on a cloud to use. This is a central point of failure, and cloud is overrated, so should be opt-in.
        2. The browser allowed arbitrary script injection into any webpage based on this cloud account. This is a central point of failure, and goes directly against browser security model so should be opt-in.
        3. The developers did not recognize how dangerous the above was, so perhaps did not treat the back-end with the paranoia it deserved.

        Compare Firefox I have an extension that allows for arbitrary CSS injection, but this extension isnā€™t cloud based. So this class of vulnerability isnā€™t possible in the first place, and also it is an extension I opted into and can enable selectively on specific sites instead of globally.

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      If youā€™re against unrestricted genAI then youā€™re also transphobic

      What. Wait has anyone claimed this? Because thatā€™s absurd.

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        Dunno but why not, after Nanowrimo claimed that opposing ā€œAIā€ means youā€™re classist and ableist. Why not also make objecting be sexist, racist etc. Iā€™m going to be ahead of the curve by predicting that being against ChatGPT will also be a red flag that youā€™re a narcissistic sociopath manipulator because uhh because abused women need ChatGPT to communicate with their toxic exes /s

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        Oh, I wonder if they are referring to this shit, where somone came to r/lgbt fishing for compliments for the picture theyā€™d asked Clippy for, and were completely clowned on by the entire community, which then led to another subreddit full of promptfans claiming that artists are transphobic because they didnā€™t like a generated image which had a trans flag in it.

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          remembering the NFT grifter who loudly asserted that if you werenā€™t into NFTs then you must be a transphobe

          (it was Fucking Thorne)

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            fondly remembering replying to these types of people with screenshots from the wikipedia page on affinity fraud. they really hated that

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        Considering how much the AI hype feels like the cryptocurrency hype, during which every joke you made had already been seriously used to make a coin and been pumped and dumped already, I wouldnā€™t be surprised at all.

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      I suspect itā€™ll land somewhere above ā€œhalitosisā€ but below ā€œwearing black socks with sandals.ā€