• lennybird@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    16
    arrow-down
    9
    ·
    edit-2
    2 months ago

    Is it racist to identify the elevated white male privilege, compounded by spoiled child syndrome? I don’t think so. I’m a white male and don’t find this in any way racist against me. Hits the mark in my opinion on why many of my fellow white male men are duped into maga bullshit.

    Communication scholar Paul Elliott Johnson argues that Trump’s brand of demagoguery is “defined by a reliance on victimized, White, toxic masculinity.” Some scholars have focused on how this rhetorical strategy appeals to men who are “secretly insecure about their manhood,” as The Washington Post reported in 2018.

    Trump’s own white masculine insecurity was on clear display throughout his debate against Harris. It was a different type of pathological masculinity than the aggressive and aggrieved toxic masculinity Trump perfected as MAGA stagecraft.

    Trump’s performance in the debate illustrates why insecure white masculinity should be disqualifying for a presidential candidate. When triggered, it short circuits the candidate’s strategic thinking and elicits demagogic and dehumanizing arguments.

      • lennybird@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        2 months ago

        Read further down in other comments, but:

        • It’s important to identify the problem.
        • It’s important to identify the target audience of this piece.
        • The crowd that this article is referring to isn’t reading an editorial editorial piece from The Conversation.
        • This is thus mainly internal dialogue pointing to an example of the problem.
        • How we convey the problem to those ensared by it is a totally separate thing.
        • divisive for them; unifying for us, and helps the occasional apathetic bystander identify the bullshit before they themselves are ensared by it.
    • elliot_crane@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      2 months ago

      Also a white man. While I don’t find this wording racist, I do think it makes an implicit association between white masculinity and negative character traits. This is effective when used as a critical lens by which to examine people like trump and the maga movement, because in those instances, the association is accurate. That being said, I do find that this kind of discourse on a broader scope is unproductive and I can certainly understand why one would perceive it as inflammatory. If we as white men are serious about defeating toxic masculinity, increased toxicity is unlikely to be an effective strategy. I believe it would be far more effective for us to focus our energy on reclaiming the concept of masculinity by endorsing and promoting white men who use their power in society to stand up for those less privileged than themselves. We also can’t rely on media outlets to do it for us, it’s a thing we need to own.

      • lennybird@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        2 months ago

        Well said and fair points. Ultimately I can agree that this entire article could be written as-is but for the exclusion of white. No doubt toxic masculinity is a problem. And no doubt there a considerable amount of white privilege; though the two probably should be separated as opposed to conjoined in discussion. Trump is a spoiled, silver-spooned manchild whose position has come about through a considerable degree of white privilege. Though as you said, one must be careful to narrow the scope of the conversation. That strictly applies to him, and probably should not be generalized more broadly.

        Whereas toxic masculinity is more widespread and certainly not unique to white men (although in the moment under the MAGA banner and the audience of Jordan Peterson or Joe Rogan, it just so happens to predominantly be this group). I’ve read several articles about how inroads are being made with hispanic and black young male groups just the same — again, due to right-wing propaganda making inroads.

        This where Walz could come in and why the VP Debate may be a bigger deal than many people realize. Walz has the capacity to do just as you said and project a certain male confidence. In his speech just yesterday he explicitly said, “Don’t mistake kindness for weakness.” If he carries through with this message as a military veteran and as a coach who can speak the frat bro language… Well, it may resonate with some and bring some back.

        • elliot_crane@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          2 months ago

          Well said to you as well. I agree that Tim Walz is a stellar example of the kind of masculinity I think we should be promoting. His VP candidacy has me so hopeful for a future where men like him are really able to reshape the narrative to one where being a strong man means being a respected and dependable ally.

    • Soulg@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      2 months ago

      I don’t think it’s racist against me but it’s still fucking stupid and not at all the correct thing to take away.