Turkey has formally asked to join the BRICS group of emerging-market nations as it seeks to bolster its global influence and forge new ties beyond its traditional Western allies, according to people familiar with the matter.
NATO was formed to be anti-USSR, after the collapse of which the Russian Federation tried to join NATO, and was denied. The RF then complained about NATO expansion, which had not ceased.
Regardless of whether or not you believe Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is justified or villianous, it was provoked by NATO expansion, as admitted by NATO leaders themselves.
NATO was formed to be anti-USSR, after the collapse of which the Russian Federation tried to join NATO, and was denied.
in the same way the us wouldn’t be allowed to join csto
The RF then complained about NATO expansion, which had not ceased.
i don’t see how it’s nato’s fault that people are so sick of russia’s shit that they’re signing up to the defensive alliance against them in their droves
it was provoked by NATO expansion
nato expansion that existed because of russian land grabs
nato isn’t the warsaw pact. they aren’t sending in tanks to force people to be a part of their alliance.
this is just you doing the thing you accused me of doing by refusing to consider externalities
NATO didn’t start after 2022
russia didn’t start misbehavin’ after 2022 either
many of its leaders were Nazi officers
east germany was part of the warsaw pact, and had plenty of ex-nazis in its ranks
the reason you can’t draw a line from that to today is because the ussr folded like a cheap suit 30 years ago
it has always been a way to exert Western supremacy
in the same way the us wouldn’t be allowed to join csto
Have NATO countries complained of CSTO expansion? Has the US been denied entry into CSTO? Has the CSTO expanded against the will of NATO?
i don’t see how it’s nato’s fault that people are so sick of russia’s shit that they’re signing up to the defensive alliance against them in their droves
It’s NATO’s fault for consisting of the absolutely most grotesque reaches of Imperialist countries, and expanding against the wishes of non-NATO countries.
nato expansion that existed because of russian land grabs
Bzzzt wrong. NATO has been expanding long before.
this is just you doing the thing you accused me of doing by refusing to consider externalities
Quite the contrary, you’re deliberately erasing historical context.
russia didn’t start misbehavin’ after 2022 either
When and why did Russia start “misbehavin?”
east germany was part of the warsaw pact, and had plenty of ex-nazis in its ranks
Whataboutism, lmao. East-Germany purged Nazis, that’s one of the reasons the west complains that the GDR was authoritarian. NATO was led by Nazis.
Anyone that considers themselves a good person cannot be *pro-*NATO. You can disagree with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine without being pro-NATO.
russia is literally doing an imperialism right now, but nato is the one with grotesque reaches, okay
Invasion and Imperialism are not the same thing. Regardless of the morality or immorality of invasion, NATO retains its status as Imperialist via surplus extraction and exploitation of the Global South.
lmao because nato predates russia
and russia started getting into iffy wars basically at its inception
This kinda verges on anti-Russian racism, there’s no analysis of why you believe this.
probably because they’re an imperialist power? i don’t know
You indeed do not know.
okay
The GDR indeed purged Nazis, as they were attacked by western Germany, which largely retained its Nazis.
because it’s the closest equivalent to nato? the us also wouldn’t be allowed to join brics, if that helps de-confuse you.
Invasion and Imperialism are not the same thing.
please provide a definition for imperialism that doesn’t include what russia’s doing in ukraine now
This kinda verges on anti-Russian racism, there’s no analysis of why you believe this.
says the one who’s just been continuously stating without expounding that nato is a collection of spooky imperialist powers
You indeed do not know.
The GDR indeed purged Nazis, as they were attacked by western Germany, which largely retained its Nazis.
or don’t respond to what i posted that’s cool too i guess
i think it’s pretty clear you don’t have much of an argument here, given that this started as “nato is a protection racket” and across 6 replies you’ve provided absolutely nothing to support that statement past whinging
because it’s the russian equivalent to nato? the us also wouldn’t be allowed to join brics, if that helps de-confuse you.
It’s the Russian equivalent, you say, except the power dynamic is entirely different and CSTO isn’t expanding. Interesting.
please provide a definition for imperialism that doesn’t include what russia’s doing in ukraine now
Export of Industrial and Financial Capital to exploited Countries to super-exploit for super-profits, like an international Capitalistic relation. You know, the standard definition Leftists follow.
says the one who’s just been continuously stating without expounding that nato is a collection of spooky imperialist powers
I have explained how and why, your refusal to read is no longer my problem.
i think it’s pretty clear you don’t have much of an argument here, given that this started as “nato is a protection racket” and across 6 replies you’ve provided absolutely nothing to support that statement past whinging
Quite the contrary, your selective reading and blinders mean you can’t be reached with words.
alright you get one more, then i kind of need to stop wasting my time with you unless you get more entertaining quickly
it’s the Russian equivalent, you say, except the power dynamic is entirely different and CSTO isn’t expanding. Interesting.
because nobody wants to join the alliance run by the country most likely to invade you? “russia is too disliked for their alliance to be popular” or “russia is too incompetent to run an effective alliance” is an incredible argument
why don’t we ask azerbaijan and armenia how their membership is going if you’re confused as to why csto is unpopular?
Export of Industrial and Financial Capital to exploited Countries to super-exploit for super-profits, like an international Capitalistic relation.
ohhhhhhh so you mean like sending in pmcs to countries in africa? or setting up debt traps for countries in africa?
I have explained how and why, your refusal to read is no longer my problem.
Quite the contrary, your selective reading and blinders mean you can’t be reached with words.
literally nothing you’ve said has justified nato behaving in an imperialist way, other than your definition of imperialism, which includes russia and china, so good job
to paraphrase you, “membership expansion isn’t imperialism”, which is the only thing you’ve been arguing over, which is wild when the thing you’re meant to be justifying is that “nato is a protection racket”.
i don’t think you know what a protection racket is
east germany was part of the warsaw pact, and had plenty of ex-nazis in its ranks
Lmfao the fourth reich west germany literally had more nazis leading it in its government than during the third reich. The socialist states did the opposite and purged nazis — obviously, since fascism is actually a threat to socialist states whereas it’s more of an asset to capitalists with them able to scapegoat marginalized people for capitalism’s faults the more prevalent it is.
Fully 77 percent of senior ministry officials in 1957 were former members of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi party, a higher proportion even than during the 1933-45 Third Reich, the study found.
From 1949 to 1973, 90 of the 170 leading lawyers and judges in the then-West German Justice Ministry had been members of the Nazi Party.
Of those 90 officials, 34 had been members of the Sturmabteilung (SA), Nazi Party paramilitaries who aided Hitler’s rise and took part in Kristallnacht, a night of violence that is believed to have left 91 Jewish people dead.
in this case the external pressure is a rogue state doing a cheeky land grab on its neighbor
i’m not sure why that’s nato’s fault, although i’m very excited that you’re about to tell me
NATO was formed to be anti-USSR, after the collapse of which the Russian Federation tried to join NATO, and was denied. The RF then complained about NATO expansion, which had not ceased.
Regardless of whether or not you believe Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is justified or villianous, it was provoked by NATO expansion, as admitted by NATO leaders themselves.
NATO didn’t start after 2022, many of its leaders were Nazi officers and it has always been a way to exert Western supremacy.
in the same way the us wouldn’t be allowed to join csto
i don’t see how it’s nato’s fault that people are so sick of russia’s shit that they’re signing up to the defensive alliance against them in their droves
nato expansion that existed because of russian land grabs
nato isn’t the warsaw pact. they aren’t sending in tanks to force people to be a part of their alliance.
this is just you doing the thing you accused me of doing by refusing to consider externalities
russia didn’t start misbehavin’ after 2022 either
east germany was part of the warsaw pact, and had plenty of ex-nazis in its ranks
the reason you can’t draw a line from that to today is because the ussr folded like a cheap suit 30 years ago
you’re just kind of saying things now
Have NATO countries complained of CSTO expansion? Has the US been denied entry into CSTO? Has the CSTO expanded against the will of NATO?
It’s NATO’s fault for consisting of the absolutely most grotesque reaches of Imperialist countries, and expanding against the wishes of non-NATO countries.
Bzzzt wrong. NATO has been expanding long before.
Quite the contrary, you’re deliberately erasing historical context.
When and why did Russia start “misbehavin?”
Whataboutism, lmao. East-Germany purged Nazis, that’s one of the reasons the west complains that the GDR was authoritarian. NATO was led by Nazis.
Anyone that considers themselves a good person cannot be *pro-*NATO. You can disagree with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine without being pro-NATO.
i don’t think nato cares about csto
russia is literally doing an imperialism right now, but nato is the one with grotesque reaches, okay
lmao because nato predates russia
and russia started getting into iffy wars basically at its inception
probably because they’re an imperialist power? i don’t know
okay
So then why bring it up?
Invasion and Imperialism are not the same thing. Regardless of the morality or immorality of invasion, NATO retains its status as Imperialist via surplus extraction and exploitation of the Global South.
This kinda verges on anti-Russian racism, there’s no analysis of why you believe this.
You indeed do not know.
The GDR indeed purged Nazis, as they were attacked by western Germany, which largely retained its Nazis.
because it’s the closest equivalent to nato? the us also wouldn’t be allowed to join brics, if that helps de-confuse you.
please provide a definition for imperialism that doesn’t include what russia’s doing in ukraine now
says the one who’s just been continuously stating without expounding that nato is a collection of spooky imperialist powers
or don’t respond to what i posted that’s cool too i guess
i think it’s pretty clear you don’t have much of an argument here, given that this started as “nato is a protection racket” and across 6 replies you’ve provided absolutely nothing to support that statement past whinging
peace
It’s the Russian equivalent, you say, except the power dynamic is entirely different and CSTO isn’t expanding. Interesting.
Export of Industrial and Financial Capital to exploited Countries to super-exploit for super-profits, like an international Capitalistic relation. You know, the standard definition Leftists follow.
I have explained how and why, your refusal to read is no longer my problem.
Quite the contrary, your selective reading and blinders mean you can’t be reached with words.
alright you get one more, then i kind of need to stop wasting my time with you unless you get more entertaining quickly
because nobody wants to join the alliance run by the country most likely to invade you? “russia is too disliked for their alliance to be popular” or “russia is too incompetent to run an effective alliance” is an incredible argument
why don’t we ask azerbaijan and armenia how their membership is going if you’re confused as to why csto is unpopular?
ohhhhhhh so you mean like sending in pmcs to countries in africa? or setting up debt traps for countries in africa?
literally nothing you’ve said has justified nato behaving in an imperialist way, other than your definition of imperialism, which includes russia and china, so good job
to paraphrase you, “membership expansion isn’t imperialism”, which is the only thing you’ve been arguing over, which is wild when the thing you’re meant to be justifying is that “nato is a protection racket”.
i don’t think you know what a protection racket is
Lmfao
the fourth reichwest germany literally had more nazis leading it in its government than during the third reich. The socialist states did the opposite and purged nazis — obviously, since fascism is actually a threat to socialist states whereas it’s more of an asset to capitalists with them able to scapegoat marginalized people for capitalism’s faults the more prevalent it is.