• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    The integrated head unit isn’t the problem, my 2007 Prius has one and it doesn’t have any way to phone home (no navigation built-in, for example).

    I don’t know about the rest of the industry, but at least with Toyota Prius, navigation/internet access became standard around 2020. All of that is standard on most EVs, except maybe the base Leaf (it’s standard on Chevy Bolt though). EVs certainly didn’t create the option, but it became standard soon after EVs shipped with those features as standard.

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      2 months ago

      Ahh I gotcha. Yeah, I like my EV but with the reports coming out that they are selling data to insurance providers I would love to disconnect my connection to the Internet but I believe it has a esim from Verizon.

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        2 months ago

        Yeah, and digging that out could be a huge pain, as it’s usually buried beneath the dashboard, so it would probably take an hour or two to get to, even if it is user-removable.

        I’m not going to buy any vehicle that I cannot block from accessing the internet, so my search for a car is a bit complicated. Instead of just looking at price and specs, now I also have to look for what kind of spyware it has and if it can be easily disabled.

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      2 months ago

      EVs certainly didn’t create the option, but it became standard soon after EVs shipped with those features as standard.

      correlation doesn’t prove causation - this was going to happen even if EVs never took off.

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          2 months ago

          Why do you think that? What exactly about the motor spinning from electrons instead of hydrocarbons makes any difference?

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            2 months ago

            It’s a new product on the market, so it’s an opportunity to really shake up customer expectations. Tesla lead the charge with that and essentially set the standard for the rest of the EV market.

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              2 months ago

              do you also blame EVs for the same shit happening outside the auto industry?

              I’m trying to get across that this stuff would have happened even if Tesla never existed.

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                2 months ago

                Yes, it probably would’ve happened eventually, but not as quickly as it did.

                But the stuff happening throughout the industry all stems from the same core issue: people are putting up with it. If people stopped paying for predatory products and services, products and services would become less predatory. I don’t know what the solution here is, but it seems a large number of people are okay with companies charging subscriptions for things that used to be products. I personally reject it, but I’m just one person.

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                  2 months ago

                  There are no alternatives. Everything is predatory. Blaming consumers is ignorant.

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                    2 months ago

                    Believe what you want.

                    I personally like to look at what I can do as an individual, and what others can do as individuals. Blaming companies doesn’t get us anywhere, informing the public about issues can move us toward change. So that’s what I’m going to do. But we need enough people to change behavior before companies will change theirs, that’s just how these things work.