• Noxy@yiffit.net
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    2 months ago

    EVs certainly didn’t create the option, but it became standard soon after EVs shipped with those features as standard.

    correlation doesn’t prove causation - this was going to happen even if EVs never took off.

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        2 months ago

        Why do you think that? What exactly about the motor spinning from electrons instead of hydrocarbons makes any difference?

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          2 months ago

          It’s a new product on the market, so it’s an opportunity to really shake up customer expectations. Tesla lead the charge with that and essentially set the standard for the rest of the EV market.

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            2 months ago

            do you also blame EVs for the same shit happening outside the auto industry?

            I’m trying to get across that this stuff would have happened even if Tesla never existed.

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              2 months ago

              Yes, it probably would’ve happened eventually, but not as quickly as it did.

              But the stuff happening throughout the industry all stems from the same core issue: people are putting up with it. If people stopped paying for predatory products and services, products and services would become less predatory. I don’t know what the solution here is, but it seems a large number of people are okay with companies charging subscriptions for things that used to be products. I personally reject it, but I’m just one person.

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                2 months ago

                There are no alternatives. Everything is predatory. Blaming consumers is ignorant.

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                  2 months ago

                  Believe what you want.

                  I personally like to look at what I can do as an individual, and what others can do as individuals. Blaming companies doesn’t get us anywhere, informing the public about issues can move us toward change. So that’s what I’m going to do. But we need enough people to change behavior before companies will change theirs, that’s just how these things work.

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                    2 months ago

                    nah I really think you got it wrong.

                    big companies spend obscene amounts of money and effort researching how to manipulate and influence people effectively so they can make the most profit they can get away with.

                    a catchy jingle is an obvious example. not really nefarious (i have strong nostalgia for local business jingles and slogans) tho.

                    dark patterns on websites are a better example. like how it’s really easy to sign up for amazon prime, but canceling amazon prime is impossible to do without having to use a search engine to find the obscure link to the cancellation page.

                    if you think people influence companies more than the other way wrong, I really gotta urge you to consider another angle.